What are the rules on loaded guns in camp ?

 

There are rules about having a loaded gun in camp for this reason. At the same time it was an accident. Sometimes the punishment is inflicted by the violator him self. So unless this is an on going problem I would cut him lose! If he is a trusted member that made a mistake this one time ask Jim not to come back this season and let it go.
James


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Rrrrrrrwed

 

I would say it depends on the rules. It was careless and should not have happened, but sometimes things do happen.

 

No loaded guns in camp, Safety First

 

WOW

Ramrod calls for a Vote on what to do.

 

You said you have rules. What's the rule on when you load your guns? I would have a gun cabinet & after each hunt thats where all members put their guns unloaded of course.
It is a very serious concern but it does happen. Have the bil fixes the camper & all you can do is be more careful.
I always tell everyone that a gun is always loaded. Glad no one was hurt.
I had a young man blow a hole through the floor board of my truck. He got his ----- chewed out & his father had my truck repaired.
Guns are always loaded.

 

# 1 rule : No loaded guns in camp! If this is not a rule at your camp, it should be.
Like was said, if this is a first time thing and he is a trusted hunter then maybe let it go with a strong warning.

 

I would think that your BIL will now be the most vocal and trustworthy member of the lease when it comes to loaded guns in camp. Just let it be and if any member asks you just tell them it was sorted out.

 

Charged

He would be the new safety guy at camp.
Jobs include
insure all stands are maintained (wasp, and other critters)
Gun checks after each hunt. Some might need cleaning
Proper and safe corn introduction in to feeders
got the drift?

HHW

 

He would be the new safety guy at camp.
Jobs include
insure all stands are maintained (wasp, and other critters)
Gun checks after each hunt. Some might need cleaning
Proper and safe corn introduction in to feeders
got the drift?

HHW

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OK 2Cool Think Tank, I have to run this past you. Please let me know your thoughts and what should be done.
This is a very serious matter, and will be taken seriously.
We are a group of 6 hunters who have hunted together for many years. We are friends and the violator is my brother in law.
We have a great set of rules that everyone must follow.
Last Saturday morning, 3 of us were inside of the Camp house cooking breakfast. One of the members came into camp at about 1030 am and walked past the Cabin towards a camper (which cannot be seen from the cabin due to a storage shed in between) Then we hear a rifle shot!! We either think that he shot a deer behind the camp, or had an accidental discharge. Well after we find him in the camper and alive, we find that he had an accidental discharge inside of the camper making a new air vent in the side of the camper.
He was very upset with himself, and very apologetic. Luckily no one was hurt, and thankfully we did not have our young children at camp with us this weekend.
What do yall think should be done? Nevermind that he is my BIL, that does not matter.

From your post you have established that is was an accident. You did not post anything else about the accident. My mantra is "Safety First, period". However, I wasn't there and don't know the facts. I would have talked to the hunter and established what happened.

Maybe a shell got lodged in the chamber and he went away from the crowd, under good light, with the proper tools and tried to extract it when something went terribly wrong.

Maybe he was careless, left one in the chamber, sloppily leaned the rifle against something and it slipped and fell.

If he broke a rule in a situation that was under his control (such as "No loaded firearms in camp" and he brought in a loaded firearm) then the "punishment" needs to be applied. Has this been predetermined? Example, if you break rules, "this" happens? If not, the five of you need to determine what needs to be done.

On my ranch, if this was a bonehead move (forgot to unload, pulled the trigger) I would look at the person's history...stand up guy, good hunter, responsible man etc. or a lazy, shoots what walks out first, big talker, etc. If its the former, he probably gets a good taking to. If its the latter, its adios (former) amigo.

 

From your post you have established that is was an accident. You did not post anything else about the accident. My mantra is "Safety First, period". However, I wasn't there and don't know the facts. I would have talked to the hunter and established what happened.

Maybe a shell got lodged in the chamber and he went away from the crowd, under good light, with the proper tools and tried to extract it when something went terribly wrong.

Maybe he was careless, left one in the chamber, sloppily leaned the rifle against something and it slipped and fell.

If he broke a rule in a situation that was under his control (such as "No loaded firearms in camp" and he brought in a loaded firearm) then the "punishment" needs to be applied. Has this been predetermined? Example, if you break rules, "this" happens? If not, the five of you need to determine what needs to be done.

On my ranch, if this was a bonehead move (forgot to unload, pulled the trigger) I would look at the person's history...stand up guy, good hunter, responsible man etc. or a lazy, shoots what walks out first, big talker, etc. If its the former, he probably gets a good taking to. If its the latter, its adios (former) amigo.

He is a great lease member in good standing. He explained to me that 1st, he forgot to unload the weapon, 2nd (since it was very muddy outside, and he was trying not to get any mud in the camper) he stayed on the steps of the camper and leaned in to place the rifle on the seat of the table. In doing this and reaching and leaning, he had his finger on the trigger. It was definitely a bonehead move. He felt sick to his stomach at the what if's. He is one of the hardest workers on the ranch, will not shoot just anything, and usually brings a picture of a deer to camp to see what everyone else thinks prior to taking the deer.

 

OK 2Cool Think Tank, I have to run this past you. Please let me know your thoughts and what should be done.
This is a very serious matter, and will be taken seriously.
We are a group of 6 hunters who have hunted together for many years. We are friends and the violator is my brother in law.
We have a great set of rules that everyone must follow.
Last Saturday morning, 3 of us were inside of the Camp house cooking breakfast. One of the members came into camp at about 1030 am and walked past the Cabin towards a camper (which cannot be seen from the cabin due to a storage shed in between) Then we hear a rifle shot!! We either think that he shot a deer behind the camp, or had an accidental discharge. Well after we find him in the camper and alive, we find that he had an accidental discharge inside of the camper making a new air vent in the side of the camper.
He was very upset with himself, and very apologetic. Luckily no one was hurt, and thankfully we did not have our young children at camp with us this weekend.
What do yall think should be done? Nevermind that he is my BIL, that does not matter.

The Military changed the term from Accidental Discharge to Negligent Discharge for a reason. You have to figure out what to do on your own.

 

Thank God nothing happened and your BIL is safe. A long time good standing member IMO should not be kicked off the lease IMO. Maybe probation if the rules are violated. If other rules have been violated in the past then removal should be considered.

Maybe he should be considered for additional rules for a year or two. EX: He leaves all weapons in his vehicle in case unless in the stand. No handling of weapons in camp.

 

We have explicit rules that state that there are to be no loaded firearms in camp. Also stated that there will be no horseplay around firearms. Firearms and alcohol do not mix, and will not be tolerated.

My suggestion to our Lease Manager is in the least make him the Camp Safety Officer and gate check everyone in camp everytime hunters return from a hunt.

 

I think the question is not what he can do to make it up.

fix the hole is a given

the issue is do you keep him on the lease or not. I say keep him and for a while yall need to check his gun safety. Some folks did not grow up with good gun etiquitee and are self taught. They need folks around them to constantly remind . . . is gun clear, i wanna see your action open, point in safe direction, load and unload at stand.

Example I did not grow up with guns and when i first started hunting I hunted with guys that had. I was upfront to tell them to jump my rear if they saw me violating rules. They did and i subsequently taught my boy.

Him he's much more diligent but thats because since he was 5 i taught him to look for open actions, load and unload at stand, double check guns handed to him even if he saw action cleared.

 

I think the question is not what he can do to make it up.

fix the hole is a given

the issue is do you keep him on the lease or not. I say keep him and for a while yall need to check his gun safety. Some folks did not grow up with good gun etiquitee and are self taught. They need folks around them to constantly remind . . . is gun clear, i wanna see your action open, point in safe direction, load and unload at stand.

Example I did not grow up with guns and when i first started hunting I hunted with guys that had. I was upfront to tell them to jump my rear if they saw me violating rules. They did and i subsequently taught my boy.

Him he's much more diligent but thats because since he was 5 i taught him to look for open actions, load and unload at stand, double check guns handed to him even if he saw action cleared.

Is your BIL an asset to the group? In other words does he pull his share of work on the lease or is he a loafer? If a worker keep him.

 

my point is I could care less if he pays for everything and does all the work.

A safety issue is not worthwhile no matter the work load. I'd rather have a safe loafer who's riding my hard work but I can trust my guests and family around then someone who might kill someone.

My point is this isn't about how he makes up for his mistake. The question is will he do it again . . . . .

 

sounds like he is a good guy and made an honest, but big mistake. if so, then the shot scared him more than any butt chewing would do. very good way to remind everyone how important gun safety is.

now if he was known to be an arse clown, doesn't care about rules or peoples concerns or drink too much etc.... different story all together, which should be dealt with differently.

 

Definitely just an accident. Thankfully no one was hurt or killed. Sounds like you either need to modify your rules or reinforce them to read, load guns once in the blind, and unload before leaving. At no other time shall a gun be loaded within such a distance from the camp.

 

Had this happen at our camp house before by my wife's grandpa he was so traumatized no one had to explain anything to him. He made us all think and we explain tp.the guests to unload before they get outta stand

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If it was I who make the mistake of a gun going off in camp, I would never forget what happened and would be responcible for always checking my gun by unloading whenever I get out of a blind or stand or before I got into a truck, 4wheeler etc. But that's me and I'm responcible for my actions.

 

I think that everyone on the lease should have an opportunity to speak their mind. With that being said, from the facts you mentioned if I was on the lease I would support him remaining. Sounds like a good asset to the lease. From what you said, I would wager that he will be the most conscientious person you could possibly have regarding gun safety for the next 2 to 3 decades.

Please realize that I would give him a ration of $h!+ every chance I could about it but would definately not kick him off. I do not think anything you could do to him would be worse than what he is putting himself through.

 

AD!

This is a case violation. he must pay.

One case of the beverages ya'll select, can be mised of Jack, Crown Chivas or other stuff ya'll deem worthy. For me, Maker's Mark or Woodford Reserve.

Fix the hole and have to be camp clean up for the remainder of season. This includes washing dishes.

No excpetions, bone head. :texasflag

 

I would say that it was an accident. However, with a round in the chamber why was the safety off? That is a big time issue for me. It's easy to chunk stones at a fella but at a minimum I would say that he has used up his one pass and any other safety infractions are grounds for getting kicked off the lease. This is a tough one. Good luck!

 

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I can't help bit be the arse here and say, HE BROKE 3 RULES(mine) IMO!!!! 1-loaded gun in camp. 2-the freaking safety was off!!!!!(w t f) 3-his finger was on the trigger and he had no ->intentions<- of shooting an animal or a target.
He gone, IMO.

 

pass

"It was definitely a bonehead move. He felt sick to his stomach at the what if's. He is one of the hardest workers on the ranch, will not shoot just anything, and usually brings a picture of a deer to camp to see what everyone else thinks prior to taking the deer."

He is probably beating himself up worse than any thing you could do.... I would speak to him and then let it slide chances are he will never make that bonehead move again. Like somebody else mentioned he will now probably be the safest guy in camp.

 

have you considered having him suggest his own punishment? If he's beating himself up as badly as it seems it will probably be punitive and set a dang good precedent in camp for other rules violations.

 

Sounds like he learned his leason and it will not happen again. Sometimes **** happens and a leason is learned by all.