I have been wanting to post up for a while and give my opinion and maybe gain some new perspective on the subject of high fences from others. In Texas if someone poaches a deer they must pay restitution to the state. The state says that deer belongs to the state and all its residents. I agree, however if this is so, how can someone buy a piece of property and put up a game fence and trap all the deer within its confines. Do these deer not belong to all residents also? I recently watched Kieth Warren talking about how much good these landowners of high fenced property do the deer herd by feeding water and nutrients year round. They are feeding their livestock to get maximum price, not the deer herd of the state of Texas. I understand why he is saying this, he is sponsored by a couple of commercial deer farms. I have hunted on a high fence ranch. I took my daughter on a hunt last year after being unsuccessful on a TPWD draw hunt for the fourth year in a row. She shot a nice buck, she saw more trophy class deer than most men will see in a lifetime and it was the worst mistake I have ever made. If any of you are planning on introducing your kids to hunting on one of these high fenced ranches that is your business. However, I hope they are sucessful enough in life to continue hunting on these types of ranches because to a new hunter this will set the standard for how hunting is. The state is now in the trophy deer business(13inch rule). Some like it and some dont. To be honest I have not heard why the state went to the rule, just individual opinions. At any rate there has to be agreement that the state of Texas is guilty of some level of hypocrocy. You cant boast about how tough you are on poachers and then let people trap entire herds of deer, fatten them up and sell them. I do not condone poaching but honestly someone who poaches a deer for freezer meat has a lot less impact on my deer hunting than the guy who buys the property next my hunting land and puts up a game fence. Hope everyone has a Merry Christmas :cheers:
sasquatch
- Status
ohhhhhhh...time to pop the popcorn. Good post, with good points - this should be interesting to watch.
it's funny, everyone says "the deer belong to the state"....so what happens when i hit a deer on a public road way in our great state and try to get my money reimbursed for expenses paid to fix my truck...LOL
nobody claims them, then. :cheers:
nobody claims them, then. :cheers:
Fencing a property does not mean you fatten 'em up for the frying pan, nor does it make hunting 'em easier, nor does it mean you automatically have an awesome deer herd. If you own the land, you can fence it. We can beat this to death all day long and have ... again, and again, and again.
Let me tell you how I shoot deer off high fenced property, I do it the same way I shoot them off the side-view mirror of my truck. Deep breath in, saftey off, half breath out ... squeeze the trigger.
If you really think hunting a high fenced property make the deer easier to hunt, well ... that's what you think and there isn't a sole here that can change your mind. But, I would probably agree that it isn't "fair" to fence the guys next door out. But let me pose a questions:
Define "fair chase" ... keeping these two scenarios in mind.
1. A guy on an elk hunt takes a big bore 500 yard bench mark rifle hunting on 20,000 acres of low fenced property in the "state of your choosing", gets the wind right, and shoots an monarch of an elk at 400 yards while sipping coffee. The elk crumples at the shot never to even hear the report because the bullet travels faster than the speed of sound. The elk never knew he was there, never had the benefit of winding him or even seeing him.
2. Same guy goes to the "name your high fenced ranch" in the "state of your choosing" and rattles up a deer who crosses from downwind to catch his scent in brush thicker than you can see through at 20 yards ... the deer bolts at the sound of the safety coming off and upon smelling the hunter ... the hunter trots 5 yards to an opening and connects with a shot just as the deer stops 120 yards away before making his final exit. The deer was one of 40 bucks on the 1250 acre fenced "pen" and occasionally fed protein and grew to 162" at 5.5 years old, which is moderately impressive compared to a similar deer on the low fenced property next door who grew to 164" at 5.5 years old as a "free range buck" who was killed in nearly the exact same circumstance.
Which animal was killed fair chase? And which hunt was more fair to the animal ... 1 or 2 ... ?
Poachers do a hell of a lot of damage, they do it in mass and they raise the cost of you and me hunting with antlers sold illegally, which damages OUR resources. We're not talking about the simple salt of the earth poor dude who kills a deer in June to feed his barefoot prego wife here ...
Let me tell you how I shoot deer off high fenced property, I do it the same way I shoot them off the side-view mirror of my truck. Deep breath in, saftey off, half breath out ... squeeze the trigger.
If you really think hunting a high fenced property make the deer easier to hunt, well ... that's what you think and there isn't a sole here that can change your mind. But, I would probably agree that it isn't "fair" to fence the guys next door out. But let me pose a questions:
Define "fair chase" ... keeping these two scenarios in mind.
1. A guy on an elk hunt takes a big bore 500 yard bench mark rifle hunting on 20,000 acres of low fenced property in the "state of your choosing", gets the wind right, and shoots an monarch of an elk at 400 yards while sipping coffee. The elk crumples at the shot never to even hear the report because the bullet travels faster than the speed of sound. The elk never knew he was there, never had the benefit of winding him or even seeing him.
2. Same guy goes to the "name your high fenced ranch" in the "state of your choosing" and rattles up a deer who crosses from downwind to catch his scent in brush thicker than you can see through at 20 yards ... the deer bolts at the sound of the safety coming off and upon smelling the hunter ... the hunter trots 5 yards to an opening and connects with a shot just as the deer stops 120 yards away before making his final exit. The deer was one of 40 bucks on the 1250 acre fenced "pen" and occasionally fed protein and grew to 162" at 5.5 years old, which is moderately impressive compared to a similar deer on the low fenced property next door who grew to 164" at 5.5 years old as a "free range buck" who was killed in nearly the exact same circumstance.
Which animal was killed fair chase? And which hunt was more fair to the animal ... 1 or 2 ... ?
Poachers do a hell of a lot of damage, they do it in mass and they raise the cost of you and me hunting with antlers sold illegally, which damages OUR resources. We're not talking about the simple salt of the earth poor dude who kills a deer in June to feed his barefoot prego wife here ...
What about other problems; diseases, inbreed, no water, and other deteriorating factors of the remaining deer trapped between game fences or away from its usage, by game fences. Funny how one point of view uses the fences to get richer at the expense of the other side? What happen to the
soooo....you would want the state to what? pass a law saying you can only have a fence of a certain height on your land? or would the law say you can't charge anyone for hunting on your property and MUST allow them to hunt?
um....I don't think so.
um....I don't think so.
In before the lockdown:bounce:
They don't keep deer in, they keep unwanted deer out....thats what RogerB has told me
They don't keep deer in, they keep unwanted deer out....thats what RogerB has told me
I'll take mine with ice cold milk ... sinus infection ... %@*!
If this thread takes 100 hits before 10 am tomorrow ... I'll mail each of you a 2 dollar bill. DUDE, don't cross that fence ... there's anthrax on the OTHER side ...
If this thread takes 100 hits before 10 am tomorrow ... I'll mail each of you a 2 dollar bill. DUDE, don't cross that fence ... there's anthrax on the OTHER side ...
I'll throw out my opinion. I agree with the OP in that the deer belong to the state, not ANY individual land owner and when he restricts the deer from freely moving from one pasture to the other (puts up a high fence) he has taken possession of the deer just as if he had shot it. My solution would be to require a permit for a high fence, part of the permitting would be a survey of the number of deer on the property. The land owner would pay the same restitution per animal as would the poacher. It probably wouldn't stop the fence nor help the guy next door but it would end the discussion about who owns the deer inside of that fence.
I am not making any statement about the "fair chase" part of high fencing, don't care where you choose to hunt.
I am not making any statement about the "fair chase" part of high fencing, don't care where you choose to hunt.
Thread
LOL Stumpy! I'm in too.:doowapsta Let me say for a fact I am against it. Or for it, depending on the question.
BB
LOL Stumpy! I'm in too.:doowapsta Let me say for a fact I am against it. Or for it, depending on the question.
BB
I’m against high fencing. Why? Simply because I feel that the wildlife that god gave us was created to roam. High fencing property is only one of the many things that are depleting the numbers of wildlife. I also understand and respect the feelings of other land owners. I am also a property owner. Some of witch I purchased specifically for deer hunting and I certainly wouldn't want someone telling me that I couldn't put a high fence around it if I wanted to. You bought it you figure out what you want to do with it. We all agree to disagree…..
oh hell yeah! that's all it takes to go a 200" deer... buy some land, throw up a fence, and just like magic the deer appear practically overnight!
the only downside to high fences is that you can't blame those ****ty neighbors for shooting all YOUR deer anymore.
the only downside to high fences is that you can't blame those ****ty neighbors for shooting all YOUR deer anymore.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
I retract my offer to mail everyone 2 dollar bills ... this is going to hit 100 this afternoon. Rodge ... sorry about that delete, I'm so jacked up on sinus meds I can't see straight.
I retract my offer to mail everyone 2 dollar bills ... this is going to hit 100 this afternoon. Rodge ... sorry about that delete, I'm so jacked up on sinus meds I can't see straight.
we need a high fence tax, just tax the crude out of people that want them or make them have draw hunters like other states ? poppcorn ready
so the OP and a number of you here state that high fence is going to "destroy" hunting as we know it.
hmm....lemme see. there were no fences when buffalo roamed most of the West - including Texas - what happened to them?
there were no fences when Elk were prevalent in Texas - wonder what happened?
oh yeah, that's right - they were hunted almost to extinction...
back to the popcorn
hmm....lemme see. there were no fences when buffalo roamed most of the West - including Texas - what happened to them?
there were no fences when Elk were prevalent in Texas - wonder what happened?
oh yeah, that's right - they were hunted almost to extinction...
back to the popcorn
I'm with Dad, I mean Roger ...
High fences have saved game in a great number of places. Anyone ever hear of a buffalo jump. Anyone every been to South Africa ... ?! If it were not for high fences, there wouldn't be an animal left.
All right ... peace out ... I'll argue with you guys on Monday. I've got to go poach some ducks off my high fenced canned hunt baited pond.
High fences have saved game in a great number of places. Anyone ever hear of a buffalo jump. Anyone every been to South Africa ... ?! If it were not for high fences, there wouldn't be an animal left.
All right ... peace out ... I'll argue with you guys on Monday. I've got to go poach some ducks off my high fenced canned hunt baited pond.
High fence ranch hunting is what it is.....just a bunch of rich people letting off steam because they have lots of money.....it's something anybody with money can do....want to impress me ...go to the east texas piney woods with a bow and kill even a 120" deer of any kind....lets hear a responce from someone who has actually done that.....you will hear,Waaa...i hunted east texas and did not see anything....well maybe you should learn how to REALLY hunt and not just let money be your guide....high fence hunting ought to be AGAINST THE LAW ....CASE CLOSED
sooo East Texas is tough huh? well, I'd go - but here's the problem with that I hunt West Texas - where I hunt has either no fence or fence so low I can walk over it - and state_vet will tell you - that means it's REALLY low fence. And yes, I've taken some really nice 120" deer out that way - not this year - but in years past.
you didn't see anything in East Texas? well, maybe you need to bone up on your skills - I've got a friend that's hunted East Texas most all his life on public and paper company land and always been successful bringing home a good mature buck.
and you want high fence against the law too huh? sure, let's have a government that restricts how you protect and manage your land, hey!! let's do the same thing with what size of house you can buy, what kind of car you can own....ah...never mind...I'll go pop some more popcorn.
you didn't see anything in East Texas? well, maybe you need to bone up on your skills - I've got a friend that's hunted East Texas most all his life on public and paper company land and always been successful bringing home a good mature buck.
and you want high fence against the law too huh? sure, let's have a government that restricts how you protect and manage your land, hey!! let's do the same thing with what size of house you can buy, what kind of car you can own....ah...never mind...I'll go pop some more popcorn.
Here i will help you guys out. I have a good friend who owns a high fence property he breeds the deer and releases them after or sells them to other ranches. First of the state does inspections and deer count on the property atleast once or twice a year. He also has to have a permit so he does pay the state. He is also the one buying about 60,000 dollars a year to feed these deer that are in his high fence. He can only have so many deer in the high fence property is why the state comes and counts them. Any questions please ask i will be happy to help answer them.
- Status
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
