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CCA proposes selling our snapper to the enviros

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#1 ·
I don't know what on earth they are thinking by proposing this. Do they have any idea of how fast ED or PEW or PITA would snap these up? We are talking millions upon millions of dollars already there, that they could write the check for today. Read for yourself. Unfricking believable

http://2coolfishing.com/cca.pdf

The file is clean, and the reader for pdf files is free if you don't already have it. Most of you should have it installed already.
 
#8 ·
Wow selling us out again

Scott Tyson of Tyson foods and Sysco would be very interested in buying up all the Snapper and any other marine protein they can buy. I am not surprised at this. They have proven once again they are elitist with no clue. Hopefully people will now understand how dangerous these people are at CCA. I personally abandoned them long ago.

Our solution is to push for Flexibility in the Magnuson Act. We mailed 1202 letters to the for hire sector asking them to contact their Member of Congress, Governor and Senators like we have asked everyone here to do to push to solve the problem at Congressional Level.
Allowing the sale of a resource that belongs to everyone is plain insanity. I hope everyone reads this as a total betrayal of the fishing community.

RFA has stood tall fighting for fishing rights. I invite everyone to join our team and push HR1584 in the current Congress immediately before we lose the fishery to non recreational interest.
 
#22 ·
I call BS!!!

There are too many gramatical errors, lack of law knowledge and poor wording for this to be real. Where did this come from Mont?
 
#25 ·
OH, I get it now....

...the CCA's answer: Make EVERYONE a commercial fisherman. Un-F'ing-believable.

However, there is an interesting twist to this.

A license-tag system COULD work and could gain acceptance.

I, for one, would support getting say - x Red Snapper tags per license year. I could use them whenever - winter or summer, Federal or State waters.

The question would be = what is the value of 'x'?
 
#51 ·
...the CCA's answer: Make EVERYONE a commercial fisherman. Un-F'ing-believable.

However, there is an interesting twist to this.

A license-tag system COULD work and could gain acceptance.

I, for one, would support getting say - x Red Snapper tags per license year. I could use them whenever - winter or summer, Federal or State waters.

The question would be = what is the value of 'x'?
Why does there have to be a value to x? Why can't it just be part of the license, like deer tags? Same price, but regulated in the amount that you can take. This whole snapper regulation is ridiculous anyway. I know many of you have seen the floaters behind a dragging shrimp boat a mile long. There are more fish killed like that each year than all of the rec guys combined.
 
#27 ·
Its the exact same basic idea behind shrimper buy backs. You know, the thing that gave rise to SCA, which in turn, retired some shrimping licenses. Some of you all might have heard about it. Maybe not. I'll break it down for you.

Remove the artificial regulatory barriers associated with right to exploit a limited resource, and thereby allow those who place the highest value on the right to that resource to make use of it. Max. economic return for the resource.

In the example of shrimper licenses, conservation minded folks placed a greater value on the license than did the shrimper. So, the license is sold to the conservation organization who retired the license. Guess that makes me a tree hugger or some running dog lackey for the PEW orgs. cause, by God, I gave a bunch of money to SCA.

Think about anglers, groups of anglers, and boat companies buying out the commercial IFQ's. As an aside, that was my idea way back in the days of SCA when we had that presentation on red snapper by Lance R of TPWD (as I recall). Not that it was my original idea. More like, mere application of well known, tired and true, market principles to a fishery issue.

Not altogether unlike the tags used for many types of big game hunting out West, but instead of a lottery, its auction based initially.

The irony of course being the reaction to this idea, and thats what it is at this stage, a mere idea, is almost identical to that of the shrimpers when they heard "conservation orgs." could buy their licenses.

Think not how this weapon can be used against us, but instead, the manner in which we can wield the weapon to eliminate comm. fishing. Back to basics here guys. Snapper are worth a couple bucks a lb. to a comm. They are worth a ton more than that to you and I. This is the very avenue that allows our higher valuation of the resource to insure that the resource is placed to its most economically beneficial use.
 
#30 ·
Its the exact same basic idea behind shrimper buy backs. You know, the thing that gave rise to SCA, which in turn, retired some shrimping licenses. Some of you all might have heard about it. Maybe not. I'll break it down for you.

Remove the artificial regulatory barriers associated with right to exploit a limited resource, and thereby allow those who place the highest value on the right to that resource to make use of it. Max. economic return for the resource.

In the example of shrimper licenses, conservation minded folks placed a greater value on the license than did the shrimper. So, the license is sold to the conservation organization who retired the license. Guess that makes me a tree hugger or some running dog lackey for the PEW orgs. cause, by God, I gave a bunch of money to SCA.

Think about anglers, groups of anglers, and boat companies buying out the commercial IFQ's. As an aside, that was my idea way back in the days of SCA when we had that presentation on red snapper by Lance R of TPWD (as I recall). Not that it was my original idea. More like, mere application of well known, tired and true, market principles to a fishery issue.

Not altogether unlike the tags used for many types of big game hunting out West, but instead of a lottery, its auction based initially.

The irony of course being the reaction to this idea, and thats what it is at this stage, a mere idea, is almost identical to that of the shrimpers when they heard "conservation orgs." could buy their licenses.

Think not how this weapon can be used against us, but instead, the manner in which we can wield the weapon to eliminate comm. fishing. Back to basics here guys. Snapper are worth a couple bucks a lb. to a comm. They are worth a ton more than that to you and I. This is the very avenue that allows our higher valuation of the resource to insure that the resource is placed to its most economically beneficial use.
WRONG..........SCA, TP&W, CCA did'nt put shrimpers out of biz., the govt. did by allowing the influx of imports!
 
#29 ·
Ernest- you want to bid against Scott and Don Tyson or Sysco Foods for these fish? How about the Japanese fish market buyers? An open market is dangerous. For god sake these belong to everyone not elitist with a checkbook.

The Commercial IFQ got us where we are now. We now have to buy them out because CCA pushed Commercial IFQ's. Here we go again selling a natural public resource.
 
#31 ·
Jim - yes sir. See, Tyson and the Japs can buy snapper on the international market which is a direct replacement for our local red snapper. As a result, their top bid is quite limited. They are comms, after all.

Me, I treasure the experience of catching the critters, and as a result, I value the stock at considerably more than the sum of the protein content.

So, dammmmn straight. I'l bid against Tyson everyday of the week. In fact, by allowing recreational anglers to bid against Tyson, we can guaranty the recs. will shortly own this fishery. Again, because its not a sum of protein valuation.

The party boats will all buy tags, the guides will buy tags, and the recs. will buy tags. Only folks getting pushed out of the fishery will be the comms. Once again, that because they place the lowest value on the stock. Its only protein to them.

Where did I say the SCA put shrimpers out of business? Huh? No where! I'm talking about the core idea that permited the license buy back program.
 
#33 · (Edited)
the whole idea is flawed from the start, we reccs. go by fish count, comms. go by #'s.

What are you gonna do, buy a #50 tag and weigh out ea. to keep a running total for the tag. ...............or if it's a per fish tag......buy a roll of tags and zip tie ea. one thru the lip like this guy proposed till it goes in the freezer ?

the newly created paper work would be pure insanity. and this would encourage people to keep the largest fish poss. if it was a " per fish tag ".........now your back to the by-catch mortality issue, which he brought up, although very likely incorrectly.