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Old 02-04-2019, 02:06 PM   #1
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5 trout limit discussion

Just a curiosity and i didnt want to derail the other thread.

Who among you have replied and are for the 5 trout limit? Yet keep more than 5 this past year? Do you just keep 5 now?

You read this far. If this is you please reply. Makes for an interesting discussion.....

Or have openly said to just keep as many fish as you need for fresh dinner so dont have a bunch of freezer burnt fish.....but would certainly keep 25 white bass or all the mangrove snapper you can possibly catch or all the chicken dolphin etc..... just a thought on a different mindset.
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Old 02-04-2019, 06:38 PM   #2
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I’m support the “5”

I have kept my 10 a few times when I wanted to give fish to friends and family that don’t fish much. Count the number of times on 1 hand and have fingers left over.

When I fish south - I keep my 5. My son lives in Victoria, he works too much and his family loves fish.

I have made trips where I caught 10-20-30 fish, released all but a couple for my supper. I’ve also been skunked and ate a Whataburger on the drive home.

I fish Calcasieu or Sabine 2x month with a LA license and don’t keep limits there either. Haven’t kept a limit of trout there in over 30 yrs. caught limits, but not kept.

That goes for all inshore species. I don’t freeze fish.

For me - 5 is plenty or too much.
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Old 02-04-2019, 09:15 PM   #3
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I personally don't eat trout so only keep them if the people on the boat want fish.. the arguement that fish and game go to waste if frozen irks me. 90% of the meat we eat I catch raise or kill..
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Old 02-04-2019, 09:21 PM   #4
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Im with ya....

I have not bought meat at the grocery store since 1997....
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Old 02-04-2019, 10:27 PM   #5
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Almost all the fishing I do is above the 5/10 fish boundary. I remember a couple of boat trips last year where we got into the fish and I kept more than five but less than ten Speckled trout. There were redfish caught and kept as well. I might have kept 6 trout and a couple of reds. That’s more fish than I really want and I know I gave some to my folks. There was a surf wade where I kept 6 trout and let others legal fish go and at least another I didn’t keep any even though I caught more than five keepers. I’ve let a number of 15-15.5” fish go. Once in a while, I forget a ruler so I might let go marginal fish.

I don’t have any hard rule about what I keep other than not exceeding the legal limits. I really can’t remember keeping ten trout in the last several years. I kept 8 once. When there’s a lot, I’ve given fish to my wife’s coworkers and a neighbor and my folks. When I have a harder time getting on the fish, I try just to keep some fish for my immediate family. We enjoy eating fish about once a week at best. Right now, I’ve got one medium large bag of a mix of trout, redfish and flounder in the freezer. The last time I fished I got one slot red that we ate fresh. But I haven’t fished but the once since well before Christmas. I had a good fall where I stocked up some, but have about burned through that.

I guess if it goes to five and I have a day with abundant trout, it will knock off a fish or two that I might have potentially kept. I probably fish something like 35- 40 times a year in the saltwater based on the last 10 years. But I’ve traded trout for redfish when I fish with a friend. I like trout and redfish, but redfish is a little more versatile in the kitchen. I’m sure if I added it up, I eat more redfish than trout.

I’m for the 5 fish limit statewide. Seems like it will take some additional pressure off the fish in case the conditions don’t do the fish any favors and can’t but help the numbers in terms of quality and quantity when nature is kinder. The gill net data looks strong so maybe that doesn’t support the lower limits. Still, I like having the extra margin and taking off some pressure from the fish. I hope the fishing will be good for years to come. How can lowering the limits hurt the future prospects of having healthy numbers of fish?
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:07 AM   #6
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Im all for the 5 fish limit. Personally, being in college right now I hardly keep fish due to having a hard time being able to clean/keep/cook fresh fish. I probably only harvest 5-10 fish a month and im fishing 2-3 times a week. Personally, I havent noticed a decrease in numbers. I am actually catching more trout and reds then ever before. But also I am spending way more time on the water and am much more knowledgeable on how to find them. Im not one to talk about numbers of trout in the past 10/20/30 years as I have been fishing Galveston for about 15 years (started when i was 4-5), but only remember and keep detailed reports of the last 3-4 years when i really got into fishing.

However, when I do keep fish, I tend to keep a full limit and send them back to my parents/friends because they love to eat fish. I dont like to buy meat/fish from a grocery store so having fresh fish/meat is always a plus.

It will be interesting to see how the 5 fish limit affects sizes of fish caught. I feel there will be more schooly size fish as when people are keeping they will want to keep 5 19"+ fish to obtain more meat, given that someone catches good size trout.
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Old 02-05-2019, 07:24 AM   #7
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Not to derail, but if you freeze fish and have to toss 90% of it, you're doing something wrong. I'm sure I've had to throw something away, at least once, but can't really remember. Freeze it in water and it will easily last a year.
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Old 02-05-2019, 08:01 AM   #8
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If anyone appears to lose by giving up the 5 fish, it might be the people that make those rare coastal trips and likely hire a guide to put them on fish. With the five fish limit, they will likely take home less trout.

I’m obviously not a guide and have about zero experience with guided bay fishing trips. Is it routine for guides to put their boats on ten legal trout? Is it 100% of the time, 50%, what kind of number is it?

The non-guide person that’s routinely on the trout, fishes a lot, often gets 10 or more legal specks, do they really keep the 10 each and every time they get them? If so, why? What are they doing with all that fish? Feeding the entire neighborhood and extended family? Eating fish every night?

I’d say most people, outside of guides and those that are guide quality trout specialists, that fish only bump into the above 5 legal specks on more rare occasions. Maybe they fish for redfish more or quit after catching a few fish or whatever. So the limit going to five only knocks off a few fish from their annual potential take. Doesn’t seem to hurt those folks all that much lowering the limit.

What is gained by lowering the limit to five? How do guides behave when their clients get their limit? Is the show over? Do they move on to redfish or other species? What really happens?

It stands to reason with the lower limits less trout will ever see the bottom of an ice box with zero chance of survival. If the guides move on to other species, then it’s reasonable that less trout will ever see the hook or see it less over the course of their lives, improving overall survival of the fish that are released. The non-guide stud trout guy still might catch and release as many fish or even more than before, but studies show the experienced angler does less damage to fish than the inexperienced one and the trout released by stud trout dude will likely survive the experience.

More trout in the system, more chance for better spawn/recruitment classes, more insurance against red tides, droughts and freeze events, more chance for fish to get a little larger all of that by giving up just 5 fish, a number many people won’t ever even notice or run up against on a regular basis. Where is this thought process wrong? Correct me if this is seriously flawed.
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Old 02-05-2019, 09:44 AM   #9
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Our best trip last summer, the wife and I caught about 30 trout in the surf using spoons. Not sure if we kept a single fish. You can catch hundreds, you just can't keep more than a bag limit.

Lots of people have lost electricity on the coast from hurricanes. Port Arthur has been hit three times in about the last 13 years. In Rita, they were forced to evacuate and no electricity for days. He had an eight-foot freezer packed with game. They had to clean it out and dump everything in a local bayou, minus the wrappings. There were turkey, deer, ducks, shrimp, flounder, trout, redfish and snapper, doves and steaks. He was a serious hunter/fisherman and only went after things he could eat. Unfortunately died of a heart attack at 64, the same week he was retiring.
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Old 02-05-2019, 09:54 AM   #10
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http://txmarspecies.tamug.edu/length-weight.cfm

According to the above, a Louisiana legal 13” speck weighs 12 ounces

a 16” speck 22 ounces
a 19” speck 37 ounces.

12oz x 25 fish / 2 = 9.375 pounds of fish fillets
22oz x 10 fish/ 2 = 6.875 pounds of fish fillets
37oz x 5 fish / 2 = 5.78 pounds of fish fillets

If the Speckled trout retained averaged 3” larger after a couple of years of the 5 fish limits, then the amount of total meat lost isn’t that much giving up the 5 fish. Not saying that will happen, but there should be bigger fish in the system, all other things being equal.
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