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Old 06-20-2019, 02:53 AM   #1
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2019-2020 Alligator gar bowfishing restrictions on most of Trinity River

Haven't seen this posted here. Regulations go into effect September 1, 2019. The main two restrictions:

"Enact a 48-inch maximum length limit for alligator gar on the Trinity River from the I-30 bridge in Dallas downstream to the I-10 bridge in Chambers County, including the East Fork of the Trinity River upstream to the dam at Lake Ray Hubbard."

and

"Between one half-hour after sunset and one half-hour before sunrise, no person may take or possess an alligator gar by means of lawful archery equipment or crossbow on the Trinity River unless they have received a harvest authorization through the drawing system."

Copied-and-pasted from https://ccatexas.org/texas-parks-and...ation-changes/

(Apologies if this is a repost, etc.)
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Old 06-20-2019, 04:29 PM   #2
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that's why there are very few legal size black or white bass,crappie,striper or catfish in the "Port of Liberty" ....over run the A-Gars and Gators.......
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Old 06-30-2019, 02:17 PM   #3
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This is just an opinion, but people I trust are indicating there are plenty of gar. I believe in the balance of nature, and don't really like seeing the aftermath of guys using bows and arrows on gar, but I am curious if this additional protection is needed now?


I am speaking of the Trinity only, and admit ignorance on other water sheds in this regard.
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I have no issues with it at all. Every modern study done has shown that alligator gar are not major predators of any species of game fish, it's a myth that they harm game fish population.
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Old 07-15-2019, 09:00 AM   #5
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I am likely the minority here...but I like alligator gar, mostly due to the fact that they've been on this earth in some form for 100 million years. Again, I'm likely the minority here, but I can't fathom shooting a gar and throwing it on the bank to rot. I do believe there are times to cull invasive species, for the record.

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I posted this in the similar thread on the Freshwater General page thought it should be said here also.


I was at the 'LL Dam Saturday and once again saw what causes me to support gar regulations and not support killing fish with a bow. I have seen the following so many times it sickening. My daughter spotted them first, and was absolutely disgusted by what some people do. She caught her first one at about seven years old while perch fishing in a small creek and has loved catching them ever since.

Lined up in nice and neat rows for the picture was five alligator gar from four to five feet long, and I don't know ten or so spotted/long nose and lots of buffs. All had the usual arrow hole. Take a pic and then leave em lay to rot and stink up the boat ramp. Those that enjoy killing fish with a Bow will be the ones that drive the continued tightening of the rules. They are their own worst enemy.

What a shame.
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Old 08-07-2019, 09:32 AM   #7
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It is illegal to return the fish to the water from which it was taken, it is also illegal to dump them on the banks. This ****** me off horribly. As a bowfishing guide, I take the steps to ensure that the kills that are not taken for food or used as bait are disposed of properly. As with all bowfishing a large majority of what is taken is not used for anything. MIne are typically dumped in a pit on private property where they are turned in to fertilizer. The biggest problem we see is that most bowfishers do not have a place to put their kills after the fishing is done if they choose to not clean them. That's when they get lazy, break the law, and dump them.
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It is illegal to return the fish to the water from which it was taken, it is also illegal to dump them on the banks. This ****** me off horribly. As a bowfishing guide, I take the steps to ensure that the kills that are not taken for food or used as bait are disposed of properly. As with all bowfishing a large majority of what is taken is not used for anything. MIne are typically dumped in a pit on private property where they are turned in to fertilizer. The biggest problem we see is that most bowfishers do not have a place to put their kills after the fishing is done if they choose to not clean them. That's when they get lazy, break the law, and dump them.
I am glad to hear dumping them at the ramp bothers you...it should bother every one.


On another note:


As you are a bow guide I am sure you know that the law states that these fish must be taken with the intention of using them for only two purposes.
1. Human consumption.
2. Fish bait.


There is no "choosing not to clean them". There is only eat them or use them for bait, anything else is not legal.


Dumping them in a pit and calling it "fertilizer" is no more legal or ethical than dumping them at the boat ramp. It is just killing them and dumping them where no one knows about it.


Again this is why I cannot support killing any fish with a bow. I have yet to discuss this with anyone that shoots fish with a bow that does it legally. Some may eat one every now and again but I have found none that legally utilize most if any of the fish they kill.
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Old 08-07-2019, 04:14 PM   #9
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Looks like there will be a drawing for taking gar over 48" from the Trinity between I-30 and I-10. That could really put a dent in the bowfishing side of the guide business. No word yet (apparently) on how many permits will be available in the draw.

Hopefully, it will steer the trophy seekers toward more sustainable methods that allow a fish to survive its interaction with human beings. You can still catch and release a monster with rod and reel. Bow fishing is rather final.

Gotta admit, I've seen hundreds of giant gar taken on TV shows and videos filmed on the Trinity, but never seen a trophy gar on a wall in anyone's living room. And I've never been offered a "gar steak" from anyone's freezer. C,P,R seems like a more sustainable way to go now that everyone carries a camera in their pocket.

On the issue of predation, I suspect it's fishing pressure that's doing the damage to game fish populations. But we'll see.

Edit: I'd add that my ex used to have a family place on the Trinity and it was appalling how many people used illegal methods to net whatever they could, while others took advantage of the remoteness to bring home several limits of fish in a day... day in and day out. But that was 20+ years ago. Hopefully, it's better now. But I doubt it. Old habits die hard.

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Old 08-07-2019, 05:59 PM   #10
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8-7-2019....Trinity River

I have noticed that there are large numbers of small A-Gar (3-10") in every single ditch I've checked around Liberty...soon to die as the ditches are drying up from the non-stop flooding event since 2015 ....also present are large numbers of the "not for human consumption,for "Trophy Retention Only" ,max bag limit5(LOL),endangered, Black Bass about the same size(2-5")...which will meet the same fate shortly.....



from this observation the populations must be in great shape in the greater Trinity River and surrounding tributaries.....
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