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Old 02-23-2006, 07:34 AM   #1
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Did any one else read-

the article in Field and Stream about the NMF? Offshore fishing lic. might be coming?, and that the sport fishing side might be circulating more $$$$ than the comercial fleet in certain areas? Is this true or media BS?
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Old 02-23-2006, 07:47 AM   #2
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i am 100% possitive that it is true in quite a few places that the sportfishers do more for the economy in some places than commercials. Walk through a marina in FL, I think every floridian has a freakin boat at a tune of probably average $100k each, of course there are large variations from $1k to $100000000
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Old 02-23-2006, 08:11 AM   #3
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I would be happy to purchase an offshore license if that would pay NMFS off enough to let us keep a few more fish. Everything is controlled by money. "It's all about the money" So why not give them a little so they will lighten up on us.
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Old 02-23-2006, 08:16 AM   #4
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I would be happy to purchase an offshore license if that would pay NMFS off enough to let us keep a few more fish. Everything is controlled by money. "It's all about the money" So why not give them a little so they will lighten up on us.
Aren't we already giving money in the form of the HMS permit. I would be willing to pay more, as $20 is a small sum in the grand scheme of things.

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Old 02-23-2006, 08:23 AM   #5
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I would be happy to purchase an offshore license if that would pay NMFS off enough to let us keep a few more fish. Everything is controlled by money. "It's all about the money" So why not give them a little so they will lighten up on us.
Give them more and they give us less. Let the commercial guys pay more, after all they are the one profiting off of it!
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Old 02-23-2006, 09:29 AM   #6
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Hairout Offshore permit

Why would I pay for something that I get for free?
Or is it free? Who really benefits from raping and pillaging our Golf Of Mexico?

Not me.....by the time I gas up the boat, buy the bait, spend on tackle and take time away from work ..I lose financially.

I'm sick of the NMF rat race and it's special interest groups excrement they spew on limits.

Here is an OXY-MORON; Commercialism and Conservationism balanced by NMF.

I'm on a rant!
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Old 02-23-2006, 10:09 AM   #7
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Rec Permit ???? Tread lightly on this one it could explode in our face

This is a move by NMFS to find out how many of us are fishing offshore.
This could then be used in the model against us. We need real time data input
on data for catches not effort. The computer will have all of us fishing 24/7 or
way more than we do if they have hard data to support "fishing effort".
We have seen this in the model with no reflection for bad weather days in the for hire sector of the recreational fishery. No reduction was given for hurricanes of Tropical Storms in the model over the years.

NMFS has overstated the current shrimping effort in the current model which is the reason for the "Crisis" we are facing on TAC reductions. Effort being down from 177,000 hours to currently 70,000 or so hours a year of effort prior to the recent hurricanes as I understand. This error is killing the Recreational sector. NMFS will be implementing tracking devices on all commercial efforts due to pressure from the Rec. sector soon as I understand it.

Real time catch data would cure many problems in the fisheries. The issuance
of a permit for rec's would show the East Gulf of Mexico is way overcapitalized ie to much effort in the rec sector. They know this is a big problem for them. This is one reason they always fight any split or season change in snapper fishery between east and west. Our stocks are not overfished in the Western Gulf according to reports I have seen. The East Gulf would have a shorter Red Snapper season due to overcapitalization as I understand it. East Gulf says we would inherit the Shrimp bycatch effort if we split to scare us. The effort of the shrimping industry may not be as tough
to deal with due to current data.

Sorry to go on a rant but just some thoughts as to why this is on NMFS radar screen.

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Old 02-23-2006, 10:24 AM   #8
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Any word Jim, on how much the permits will be and will it be per person or boat?
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Old 02-23-2006, 11:26 AM   #9
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If it was done properly.....big *** "if"...it should be by boat. If there was a way to report each boats catch per month. The NMFS could accurately keep track of the total rec catch. Another big word there...could...


If it was truely their goal to manage the red Snapper stocks...with no one group having an advantage...a permit/reporting system would be a great idea. I'd rather they do that than for them to guessimate how many I catch and how often I go.

As for spending more money for the permit....you pay a lot of money for your car, gas, insurance and maintenance...right...then you buy a license to drive it...really no different.
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Old 02-23-2006, 12:40 PM   #10
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Cost

I have not heard any numbers.
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