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Old 06-12-2008, 01:47 PM   #11
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ztmleafar, thanks for reporting this. I'm sorry to hear taht Mr. Chavez was treated this way. I hope that he gets this resolved in his favor, and if it is that he is reimbursed by CCA.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:49 PM   #12
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Perhaps one of the moderators here can make this a sticky so we can all follow this event more closely.

I for one am somewhat shocked and those questions seem way out line. They should be able to establish a baseline with much less intrusive questions.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:52 PM   #13
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As some of you may know, Steve Chavez of Harlingen, recently caught a tagged redfish while night fishing near Green Island. It was the first one caught from this area and he was, as you might guess, quite excited.

After contacting Jim's Pier and registering his catch, he proceeded to the next step of contacting CCA. They advised he should come to Houston on Monday, June 9 for a polygraph test. He paid his own transportation to Houston for the polygraph test, which is customary. However, on arrival at the office, things went very bad for him.
It appears the company used by CCA for the polygraph testing, Boyd and Company, utilize all means to discredit the potential winner. Boyd and Company specialize in polygraphing child sexual predators and include those tactics in trying to intimidate potential winners.
From the onset, Steve was pummeled with questions regarding drugs, his sexual habits, his alcoholic consumption rate, etc. And he was asked all questions a second time in an effort to disprove his first answer.
The guy who administered the test was described as having an attitude...sort of like he had a fight with his wife before coming to the poly session and wanted to take it out on someone.
As an example, he advised Steve that no body movement could be tolerated during the session. And when he did move once, was told by the Boyd employee, 'which part of the question did you not understand'? Steve felt he was trying to be provoked.
Another example questioned who netted the fish, he or his fishing partner. CCA officials admitted their rules are sort of unclear on this, but the manner in which the question was asked will make you sound guilty of lying, no matter how you answer it.
Well, long story short, the Boyd employee left him in an interrogation room while the results were interpreted and returned to say, 'I flunked you.' That is all..good bye.
The CCA's position on this was that they have had complaints on Boyd and Company, but have used them exclusively for a number of years. However, the lady in charge of CCA did advise of complaints against one individual who has administered the tests !!
They advised he could take the test again, but at his cost for transportation and the cost of the polygraph. That seemed a little strange that they would acknowledge a problem with the testing company, then allow him to re-take the test. One catch is, CCA can only name the polygraph company. It would seem to be in their interest to be above-board and let an impartial polygraph company be involved, similar to what is done in the legal field with arbitration.
Steve intends to follow through with taking the test again. But as you might imagine, is quite sour toward CCA. Come to think of it, I would be intimidated by such an array of questions designed to prove you lied. It does not bode well for CCA to ask for public donations to their cause, then enter their contest in which the first assumption they make is, you are a liar...now prove to us that you are not a liar.
Those of you that know Steve know he is a 'stand up' guy. He and his family have owned and operated their family business, JC Mini Mart, for many years and did not credit it's success to cheating folks. Steve lives by the same rules.
Until CCA clears up this mess, they can forget about my support
I can not believe what i just read!! What is CCA thinking ? And what does his sexual habits, Alcolic consumption rate or anything of the kind have to do with catching a fish????
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:59 PM   #14
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I think this should be made more public than just this forum. Maybe someone with connections to the media could make some noise. What about our local news reporters like the defenders, Akins army or someone similar? In my profession reputation is everything and anything that were to jeopardize it from someone else's action I would consider slanderous and consider legal action. Maybe he should talk to a lawyer, I would.

I wish him luck, Ken
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:02 PM   #15
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Two questions among many that come to mind are 1) did a CCA rep witness the test and 2) was the test videotaped.

Assuming that all facts were as posted, if a CCA rep was present one would think he would have realized it had progressed to the point of being out of hand and would have stopped it.

If the test was videotaped it should clear up any doubt as to what happened during the test.

Surely there will be a response to this by CCA.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:02 PM   #16
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I do not condone the actions of this employee... but there are many people each year who try to cheat the CCA and WE THE MEMBERS AND CONTESTANTS of cca out of prizes. I am not saying the guy cheated, what I am saying is CCA has to cover all bases to avoid this.

If he has nothing to hide and gets a fair test he should pass with flying colors.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:03 PM   #17
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Well cca just lost 4 new members was going to sign up myself
and the kids today!! Glad I read this first, this is stupid using
a polygraph co geared to question scumbags. Did I read right
that he will have to pay for the second test himself ? If so I know
several independent polygraph operators that might help out if the
cca would approve of them.Other wise I would be willing to donate my
former cca money to help cover his cost !!! I've taken several polygraphs
for bass tournaments but none of the operators were a**holes like this
one sounds like!! In case you haven't noticed this really **ss's me off!!
( sorry for the rant)
Everybody else have a nice day

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Old 06-12-2008, 02:06 PM   #18
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what does his sexual habits and alcohol consumption matter about fishing a tournament. I was fixing to enter the star tourney but not now. CCA you just lost my money and support for you.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:10 PM   #19
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I do not condone the actions of this employee... but there are many people each year who try to cheat the CCA and WE THE MEMBERS AND CONTESTANTS of cca out of prizes. I am not saying the guy cheated, what I am saying is CCA has to cover all bases to avoid this.

If he has nothing to hide and gets a fair test he should pass with flying colors.
I agree,but the idea that CCA knew there was a problem with this guy already is whats bugging me, why would they let him conduct the poly? i mean it's a huge prize wouldn't you want the best person possible? sounds cheezy to me.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:11 PM   #20
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GOOD LUCK STEVE, YOU HANG IN THERE WE GOT YOUR BACK, FISHERMAN STICK TOGETHER !!!!!!! KEEP US POSTED.
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