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Old 09-19-2019, 05:36 PM   #11
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I know it's wishful thinking but the cost for items such as dredging Cedar Bayou and other cuts for environmental maintenance should be part of the agreements when approvals to deepen or dredge new canals and ship channels. If you look at all the damage the ICW and ship channels have dome to the bays it is depressing. I know we can't go back in time but we know the new channels made for economics change the hydraulics of the bays. This should not just be part of the initial evaluation but funding provide for mitigation for the future.
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Old 09-19-2019, 06:04 PM   #12
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I'm know engineer and don't know the area. But there's a fisherman that probably knows the water pattern. Sounds like a granite jetty needs to be the starting point. Other wise it will silt in again.
I'm a big fan of cuts and passes. Always caught fish around passes.
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:53 AM   #13
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Great comments POC and others. I doubt a permanent fix is possible other than periodic maintenance dredging. Any jetty system would have to be a massive undertaking, and since Cedar Bayou is a fish pass and not a navigable waterway I don't see that happening. I believe there was a fund for maintenance work and the permitting for such is a shorter process than the initial permit. I had heard that maintenance after five years was expected, but based on the silting before Harvey they may have to plan for more frequent maintenance or change the overall plan. I had also heard that the initial design was deeper and wider to remain open longer but the funds (or time) were not available so the opening was probably not sufficient. Hopefully funding this time can meet the design requirements for a more sustainable project. I like the idea that the work at Port Aransas should include some funding to maintain Cedar Bayou since the Port Aransas work will undoubtedly adversely impact Cedar Bayou's ability to stay open. Remember also that any work at Cedar Bayou must occur between April and October to not affect the whooping cranes in winter.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:30 AM   #14
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I believe my post was taken out of context or my meaning. Yes I agree the positive effects of each opening has done for the bays surrounding Cedar Bayou, but what I'm trying to get across is to make a permanent fix, if possible. I think you would agree that more time, money, and effort spent once is better than temporary fixes that require reinvestment every time it silts in.
I wasn't trying to bash you for what you said, no matter how you meant it. It would be pretty logical to think that the project is a waste of time and money, especially if you don't live down here. Cedar Bayou has opened and closed on its own numerous times, that we know about. So spending money to fight something that nature doesn't want (right now) seems sort of ridiculous. All of us need to pay attention when we see our tax dollars being thrown away, and in this case "let nature take its course" seems like a smarter thing to do, on the surface.

The problem is, we haven't let nature take its course, and there are consequences to these massive coastal engineering projects. Opening Cedar Bayou and keeping it open was sort of iffy to me all along. I knew it would have a positive impact on the bays, but I honestly didn't know what unintended consequences it might have. We saw the positives, and didn't have time to find out of there would be any negatives. But now we've seen some definite negatives from it closing back up. And with this project in Corpus/Port A, I don't think it's optional anymore.

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I know it's wishful thinking but the cost for items such as dredging Cedar Bayou and other cuts for environmental maintenance should be part of the agreements when approvals to deepen or dredge new canals and ship channels. If you look at all the damage the ICW and ship channels have dome to the bays it is depressing. I know we can't go back in time but we know the new channels made for economics change the hydraulics of the bays. This should not just be part of the initial evaluation but funding provide for mitigation for the future.

I agree with that 100%. But it's so complicated, and there are so many factors at play, I don't know how we would ever pin them down on cause and effect to force that. You can get a "scientific" study that will show whatever you want it to show, and they can back it up with data, and formulae, and graphs. And a study is cheaper than actually building a rock groin or jetty.

This is why I rant from time to time about TPWD and others "partnering" with outside interests. But deep down I know I'm just howling at the moon. When there is money on the line, everything else takes a back seat. But you young guys take note: I told you that Cedar was going to close up (as did many others), and argued with the experts and studies about it. And I'm telling you that if we don't get it opened back up now, these orphaned bays in between POC and Port A are going to decline - maybe even to disastrous levels. Water quality is vital, and I am really, really worried about our oyster stocks, just to name one thing.
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Old 09-22-2019, 08:12 AM   #15
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Years ago the government filled the bayou in to prevent oil from a spill from entering the bay system, why didn’t they correct the problem they created? Didn’t boats use it as a pass 50-60+ years ago? If it had jetties and deep enough for boats to enter and exit just think how that would impact the fishing in Aransas, Carlos, Mesquite, Ayers, and San Antonio bays!!!!! Not to mention another place to fish the surf by boat on calmer days!!! Fix it right one time and minimize maintenance!!!!!!!!!** I fish those areas and prior to Harvey it was outstanding, unbelievable, like when I was a kid!!!! It is the lifeline for those bays. Come on governments, CCA who ever else get on board and quit putting a bandaid on it and fix it... Please correct me if I’m wrong, but prior to government intervention Mother Nature kept it open with tidal flow because it was naturally deep enough, without jetties!!! At least that’s how I read it, that being said wouldn’t it make sense to return it to its natural state? Jetties would be a plus
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tarpon pics

pictures say a million words, can someone post a pic please?
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Old 09-22-2019, 11:08 AM   #17
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pictures say a million words, can someone post a pic please?
http://texascoastgeology.com/passes/cedarbayou.html
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Old 09-22-2019, 11:15 AM   #18
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If I recall correctly, jetties are not possible because the mouth is fluid and moves up and down the shoreline.

This is a great podcast that discusses the reopening and related issues.

https://ccatexas.org/coastal-advocac...1-cedar-bayou/
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Old 09-23-2019, 04:19 PM   #19
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Pretty confident the conservationist would never let it happen (seems ironic) because of the large whooping crane population that winters there. Believe it or not they’re actually one of the strongest reasons why it will get reopened eventually. Also, pretty sure they budgeted to have it reopened periodically whenever they raised the funds the last time.

Plenty of articles/videos out there showing the tangible benefits. Pretty much killed SA to Copano when it was closed before dredging.

Also, for the record, it was flowing just fine prior to the hurricane. I caught this limit of trout 2 weeks before.
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Old 09-30-2019, 01:32 PM   #20
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Wheels are turning, waiting on the maintenance permit form the Corp of Engineers which should be in very soon. Bid package out by the first of the year, with the project starting in April as soon as the Whooping Cranes head north. Funding is in place for the project.
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