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Old 05-30-2012, 10:16 AM   #1
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Usage of belts and harnesses and their effect on rods

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Originally Posted by Saltywater tackle View Post
Jigging and popping has evolved in the past 2 years, as the sport matures we see more anglers fine tuning their tackles and techniques.
Size is becoming a challenge and many are seeking beefier and heftier rods to subdue the fishes.
Couple of shops in the US, including us, follow the demands seek by many anglers to make catching “BIG” fish easier.
The reason for this write up is about the usage of a regular belt, harness and bucket or full harness.
We can see from the past 2 years that rods are taking a lot of abuse, popping and jigging rod are not originally meant to be used with a full harness or bucket harness, the full or bucket harnesses are meant for fishing stand up.
However, anglers can still use harnesses it if they wish to do so, but our advice is do not follow the max drag recommended on the rod, If the rod is meant for 15kg max and it is in the bucket harness, we suggest the use of 12kg max.
Reason being, your rod is now sitting in a deeper or lower recess thus giving you a different fighting angle.
When you are fighting in a bucket harness and applying all that pressure with your body against the fish and if the fish decided to take off, the angle and the pressure on the rod is completely different whilst fighting on a regular belt.
If the fish decides to take a run, with a regular belt; you and your rod will be pushed forward or downwards or you can remove the rod from the belt, per comparison to bucket harness, the pressure is primarily on the upper fore grip of the rod, pretty much targeted at one point because it is strapped down to the harness. And using the full body weight of the fisherman as a fulcrum further increase the pressure on the rod.
Remember, these are jigging and popping rods not standup rods.
Sometimes you have no choice but to use a harness, but instead of using a full harness all strapped down we recommend the use of a regular belt with the harness only, in that case you can rest your arms and the rod angle is right.
Regardless of any brands, there is no such a thing as an unbreakable rod as things can and do happen sometimes ,and there are times, where is nobody to blame which is why, we call it accident

Tight lines
Paul & Sami

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The point being made here by Saltywater is absolutely correct
The use of a harness is to change the muscle groups that exert the angler input power to the blank and reduce lower back strain.
doing that does not change the inherent power/strength of the blank on its own ...........IF you do not change the rod angles you are fighting the fish with.
You change the rod angle towards highsticking when you shift from a standard waist belt to a belt with a "drop-down" thigh pad by lowering the pivot point of the rod butt.
If you are using a drag setting that is near the maximum of the blank you need to compensate by reducing drag setting to allow for the increased load angle on the rod.
Lowering the angler effort input location from the foregrip to the reelseat increases the effort you have to apply , but the harness allows you to use different muscle groups that have more power & energy reserves than your arms , shoulders , and back ( you are primarily then using body weight & thigh muscles).

The stress in a rod blank is determined by :-
- line load
- angle of line to the rod
- the deflected curve of the rod ( action)
and
- effective length of the rod.

popping rods are longer than standup rods and carry higher stress loads towards the reelseat of the popping rod due to the increased rod length.

when putting a harness on a popping rod you are increasing the effective lever length between tip & where the angler is inputting the effort, as you move the angler input point from the foregrip to the reelseat...........the increasing diameter & wall thickness of the blank design can accomodate this ( in general terms)...........in other threads we have discussed stress concentration in reelseat attachment , but this is another matter.

when you swap a standard waist belt for a 'drop-down' belt with thighpads you increase the rod angle , with the same drag setting this shifts the deflection of the blank towards the tip & increases stress towards the tip .
When you lower the butt in your belt you have only two ways to manage increased stress in the blank, If you are using the rod near the maximum drag rating of the blank:-
- lower the rod pumping stroke
This is counterproductive as the boat gunwhale typically limits the bottom of the rod stroke & you lose pumping stroke. It also increases the angle of the harness on the rod & increases the effort you have to put in, to maintain the same line load........if you lengthen the harness straps to change the rod angle. Bending your back further to lower the rod angle is even worse on the angler.


- lower the drag setting to manage the line load on the blank at its higher angle and manage the stress in the blank created by the higher rod angle, while maintaining a comfortable fighting stance.

On the other hand;
IF you are using a 30# drag rated rod at 20-25# drag & you put a harness on with a drop-down belt you should not be over-stressing the blank from the changed rod angle, if you keep that drag setting ............just don't crank the drag up because you think you can give the fish 'hell' because you have put a harness on.............He He

Using a harness & swapping from a standard waist belt to a drop-down belt with thigh pads has altered the way you are powering & stressing the blank because YOU have changed the way YOU are using it...........the rod hasn't changed.

http://www.360tuna.com/forum/f102/us...ct-rods-27868/
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Perfect example of high-sticking and how NOT to fight a fish with a popping rod.



I wanted to share this because there are many new to jigging and popping on this forum who are still learning the transition process, going from their old heavy fiberglass rods to new jigging and popping equipment.

Sammy and Paul, while I don't agree with all their tactics, are are some of the best in the world at fighting huge fish on tiny equipment.
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