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Old 11-30-2020, 11:26 AM   #71
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Glad you got over it.

Sitting around talking with all the doctors and nurses in my family over the holidays made it clear that mask work, but only if used correct. Wearing the same mask all day, taking it on and off, taking in into your car or home seems to be spreading the virus also. The mask are made to use for very short amount of time. Your mask can catch the virus, hold the virus and then you take it off to talk on your phone and you have it on your hands next to your face for extended amount of time. Wear mask short term in high risk areas then dispose of them, do not wear them like clothes. Bets are around the campfire that cell phones will be found to be the main source of spread. Everyone carries them 24/7, sleep by them, put them on tables in public or around family, etc..
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Old 11-30-2020, 11:29 AM   #72
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Never said I haven’t, don’t, or won’t wear one. I do. However, I do NOT believe they work, and I believe being mandated to wear one IS an infringement. Hell, you can be a “conscience objector” to school vaccines, but NOT masks.

You can keep your vaccine. 99.95% of us will survive it anyway if we get it, (IFR), and I don’t need a vaccine for that, just like I don’t need them for the flu. I eat right, exercise, take my vitamins, and stay healthy. Besides, the good Lord knew by deathday when he scheduled my birthday, and I can’t change that.

No, I don’t have a mother, she’s dead. Thank you for asking. However, she wouldn’t have stood for this nonsense either. Her husband, my father, lied about his age to enlist for WWII, because it was the right thing to do. “War” was his hand written reason for enlistment. He’d stare at today’s society slack - jaw’d.

Look, you do you. Do it with all the passion and righteousness in your soul. Just don’t expect me to be you, and I won’t expect you to be me.

I’m going to keep living life. The gods (little g) a lot of people look up to today are destroying everything great in this country, and sadly, too many are feeding at the trough of socialism.....thinking they’ll be safe, fed, and the world will be fair to them.
The best post every. Ditto...my exact stance and situation....except Rancher is older
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Old 11-30-2020, 11:37 AM   #73
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97% false positives? That would be fantastic. Unfortunately, MIT has a much different viewpoint than your sources. I believe I would go with MIT on this one. Those guys are pretty bright:

We define a false positive as a test result that incorrectly indicates that a particular condition or attribute is present. By that definition, no, your test was almost certainly not a false positive. The PCR test used by MIT, like other PCR tests, is very unlikely to return a false positive. If the test comes back positive, we can be sure that it has correctly detected genetic material from the SARS-CoV-2 virus, the virus that causes COVID-19.

But might PCR tests be too good at finding traces of the virus? That’s a question scientists are starting to investigate.

The PCR test analyzes samples by amplifying viral RNA in cycles. Most tests, like the Broad Institute test used by MIT, use a 40-cycle protocol. If the virus isn’t detected within 40 amplification cycles, the test result is negative. If viral RNA is detected in 40 cycles or less, the PCR machine stops running, and the test is positive. Because you received a positive result, we know that the test detected the virus in your sample by the time it reached its 40-cycle limit.

But as we learn more, this binary way of viewing test results — positive/negative, infected/not infected — may change. After all, the amount of virus in a sample is directly correlated with the number of amplification cycles needed to detect it, a number known as its cycle threshold (Ct). A positive test that comes back positive in 20 cycles contains a greater amount of virus than one requiring 40 cycles. Right now, we just call both results “positive.” But it’s obvious that the first sample came from an individual with a higher viral load. And the greater the viral load, the more contagious the patient is likely to be.

There is some evidence that Ct values may be useful in predicting patients’ infectiousness and prognosis, but we’re not yet at the point where it makes sense for us to include that information in our decision-making process at MIT, says Associate Medical Director Shawn Ferullo. For one thing, Ct values are not absolute. Different machines can produce different Ct values for the same sample, and the same machine can give different Ct values for different samples from the same person. “While it may be useful to know if an individual’s Ct value is on the high or low end of the scale,” Ferullo says, “based on our current knowledge, it would not change quarantine or self-isolation recommendations.”

At this point, Ct value is not included in the test results MIT Medical receives, and we have no way of obtaining that information. “While we can’t know the Ct value associated with your test or any other,” Ferullo says, “we can be pretty sure that your test result is a true positive. But it may be a subclinical case, meaning that your viral load is so low that you are not infectious and cannot spread the virus to other people, including those in your immediate household — which is a good thing!”

At the same time, Ferullo understands the frustration at being asked to put your life, and the lives of your family members, on hold. “Unfortunately, retesting is not an option,” he explains. “The Massachusetts Department of Public Health will not accept subsequent negatives to clear a previous positive test. The rules are very clear that people should not be retested once they have a positive result.”

Given our community’s experience with Covid Pass testing so far, Ferullo doesn’t believe subclinical positives are prevalent. “In proof of this, as of the end of October, we have done more than 156,000 tests on asymptomatic individuals through COVID Pass and have had fewer than 90 positives,” he notes. “If this was a pervasive problem, I’d expect to see many more than that.”

While Ferullo acknowledges that the test’s 40-amplification-cycle protocol and binary result reporting could result in unnecessary isolation for some people, he says it’s all about keeping the Institute community safe. “While the virus has forced many universities around the country, and even here in Massachusetts, to suspend in-person activities or send students home during the fall semester, MIT has been able to maintain a monthly positive-test rate of 0.05–0.06 percent since August,” he says. “I do believe the test may be identifying some sub-clinical cases, but based on our current understanding of the virus, we’d rather err on the side of caution than put our community at risk.”

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Old 11-30-2020, 11:55 AM   #74
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Glad you got over it.

Sitting around talking with all the doctors and nurses in my family over the holidays made it clear that mask work, but only if used correct. Wearing the same mask all day, taking it on and off, taking in into your car or home seems to be spreading the virus also. The mask are made to use for very short amount of time. Your mask can catch the virus, hold the virus and then you take it off to talk on your phone and you have it on your hands next to your face for extended amount of time. Wear mask short term in high risk areas then dispose of them, do not wear them like clothes. Bets are around the campfire that cell phones will be found to be the main source of spread. Everyone carries them 24/7, sleep by them, put them on tables in public or around family, etc..
Doctors and Nurses? Zeeeesh. Don't be dragging them in on this. We are having a serious discussion.
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Old 11-30-2020, 12:15 PM   #75
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Doctors and Nurses? Zeeeesh. Don't be dragging them in on this. We are having a serious discussion.
haha, yeah interesting conversations with people dealing with it daily.
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Old 11-30-2020, 01:59 PM   #76
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I guess it is time for me the be the "well actually" guy.



If I were overly concerned about the virus I'd avoid eating restaurant food the people that make your food can still give it to you, do only curb side pickup for groceriesthe grocery workers can still give it to you, wear a mask and face shield, sanitize hands and surfaces frequently, do all shopping online delivery drivers/packers can still give it to youand sanitize products received, self quarantine, avoid having company at my home, keep 12' from everyone if I have to leave the house, would not visit elderly relatives, wear gloves (especially while getting fuel for my vehicle) and discard them after they are used once, and so forth.

Notice none of those things require that you wear a mask.

No matter what you do to protect yourself, you can still get it. You can't avoid everything!
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Old 11-30-2020, 02:06 PM   #77
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Every time that I come out of the testing facility with a negative I always wonder if I got exposed while there. Standing on the decal that hundreds before me stood on waiting to be tested because they were exposed. I’ve sat in a truck with someone that ended up with a full blown case that started the following day and I tested negative. My cousin sat in a hunting blind for two days with someone that came down with it shortly after and he tests negative. Either some people are more resistant to it or it isn’t quite as easy as they say to transmit. Who knows.
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Old 11-30-2020, 03:32 PM   #78
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Wear or not to wear, you guys will ***** about every little thing. I don't know if they work either but I will wear one because I have been through the Covid Hell. When and if you do ( and I hope not) your tune will change and you will try whatever to try and protect others.
I guess that you do not remember who was in your corner at the time that you got through it, right?

Your position was that you took HCQ and recovered, but had "others" essentially calling you a liar or an isolated case.

Point here Older 37 is like you said. You do not know if masks work and choose to wear one.

Question - are you now saying that you contracted Covid from someone else NOT wearing a mask?????
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No matter what you do to protect yourself, you can still get it. You can't avoid everything!
So what are you saying? If others wear a mask that fixes everything?

Or, no need to take precautions because everyone is going to get it anyway?
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I guess that you do not remember who was in your corner at the time that you got through it, right?

Your position was that you took HCQ and recovered, but had "others" essentially calling you a liar or an isolated case.

Point here Older 37 is like you said. You do not know if masks work and choose to wear one.

Question - are you now saying that you contracted Covid from someone else NOT wearing a mask?????
What I am saying is: take every precaution you can cause it is a ***** and the "experts" in the case of this Virus are a lot of times FULL OF ****.
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