[BTS]

I recently bought a cabin in the Land Cut and need a boat that: will safely bust the chop across Baffin getting down there and carry a heavy load (mostly my beer-gutted buddies), have lots of room for fishing with my kids and hauling stuff to the cabin, and still run skinny in 9 Mile Hole, Yarbrough's, etc. I've sort of narrowed it down to a 23-24' Haynie Cat or the Shoalwater 23'Cat.

I read a recent post about the Dargel Kat and other information about how its design reduces "cat sneeze." As it relates to catamaran-hull boats and not as an anatomical punch line, thank you, what is "cat sneeze"?

Thank you.

 

[prokat]

cat

Thats the water slapping the hull between sponsens,sneeze efect,like a fine mister, hard on the sunglasses.

 

[redfish bayrat]

just saw a 2year old Shoalwater cat powered with and etec for sale off Hwy.361 in Ingleside. Raised console. Good looking boat. Don't know what he is asking.

 

[Rob The Rude]

:biggrin:

 

[BTS]

gom1, thanks for the explanation. Anybody know which boat (Haynie 24 or Shoalwater 23) "sneezes" the worst?

Any Haynie or Shoalwater cat owners have any experience with "cat sneeze" or information to share?

redfish bayrat, that sounds about like what I am looking for. But I didn't see it in 2cool's classifieds, Craigslist, or the Caller Time on-line classifieds. If there is a contact phone number posted, that would be much appreciated. But don't go out of your way. I may be passing through there on Friday.

Thanks again.

PS - Thanks also for the helpful and entertaining video, Rob the Rude.

 

[Salt&Sol]

Bless you

Not sure what a Cat Sneeze is either and we have a 23 ShoalCAT. We dont get spray from waves!! I also understand how to drive in rough water so that has to help with the lack of mist/spray. Who the heck came up with this goofy term??? Cat sneeze... seriously

 

[ghillhouse]

I recently bought a cabin in the Land Cut and need a boat that: will safely bust the chop across Baffin getting down there and carry a heavy load (mostly my beer-gutted buddies), have lots of room for fishing with my kids and hauling stuff to the cabin, and still run skinny in 9 Mile Hole, Yarbrough's, etc. I've sort of narrowed it down to a 23-24' Haynie Cat or the Shoalwater 23'Cat.

I read a recent post about the Dargel Kat and other information about how its design reduces "cat sneeze." As it relates to catamaran-hull boats and not as an anatomical punch line, thank you, what is "cat sneeze"?

Thank you.

I am not so sure about cats for fishing in the hole. I would get real draft at rest numbers off the cats and compare them to the Majek redfish and other ultra skinny boats. We have a cabin just south of yours, and if you are going to be using it in the hole or Yarbrough you will want something that floats ultra shallow, not to mention running shallow enough that you can hug padre on the way down from bird island when it gets choppy. The folks who take care of the Watts cabin have a shoalwater cat, so you can track them down and get some info, but I don't know how much time they spend in the hole. Railbird has a cabin on the hole, so he is a good resource for Texas boats. Good luck!

 

[Japper]

I too have a cabin in the land cut, and ghillhouse brings up a good point. I think most of the cats probably will float skinny enough to fish the hole most times of the year. There are times they are up super skinny and you need to be able to float in about 6" to drift fish, but that is more the exception than the rule. For pure ultra skinny performance there is no replacement for the 21 Redfish with a TRP, but you have to trade off the ride quality. I have seen plenty of different cats in the hole up skinny drifting right with flat bottom tunnel hulls. I know when I do decide to replace my Shoalwater Flats I will most likly trade and inch or two of draft for the better ride of a Cat hull.

 

[welder]

Cat [ Catamaran ] Sneeze [ Blow out the front ]

When the Bow comes down while running the trapped air between the hulls BLOWS out the front and brings water with it so it looks like it is SNEEZING and if you are in a head wind the water comes in the boat.
As said above , one has to LEARN to run a cat.

 

[williamcr]

Its when the hull hits a second wave before the first one has passes through the hull causing a compression of air in the channel this causing the fine mist of water to spit out of the noise and that

 

[williamcr]

I have no idea what happen to my first post.

Its when the hull hits a second wave before the first one has passes through the hull causing a compression of air in the channel this causing the fine mist of water to spit out of the noise and that

 

[railbird]

I run a redfishline and have a partner that runs a shoalwater 23 cat. He has measured his draft at rest recently in the hole and he has a 250SHO his draft is 8-9" with my tower up and 2 people on it i need 7.5-8" depending on grass pockets ect. 1" is not much to give up when you gain a smoother ride and more deck space afforded by the 23 cat. The redfish line with TRP is the preferred boat by most that fish that water because it can almost always get there and back without having to cross open water and sometimes you never have to get off padre island. Other rigs need to run the channel. Right now is the time of the year that you need the rfl/trp setup because there is very little water where the fish are and drifting is the way to get the fish. Crossing open water is not necessary in an rfl, there are alternate paths. The rfl is a pretty dry rig. I would also look at the illusion with a trp setup, it is bigger than an rfl and drafts and runs within an inch or 2 of the rfl. The cat hulls are simular in running depth to the illusion and some are fairly simular to them in draft. My advice is to run them and get them shallow enough so you can actually use a tape measure and get a true draft of each rig.

There is 1 other consideration. I tower fish and it is critical that my rig drift straght forward nose down without using a drift sock. Cat hulls have a very hard time doing this. If you plan to drift sideways and blind cast on the flats (i can't imagine why someone would do this in 9 mile) you want your rig to drift sideways to give you room. I use my trolling motor to hunt the landcut shoreline, a boat that always crabs sideways is a pain in the butttttt, because the trolling motor doesn't work as well and as quiet like this. There are many considerations when buying a boat, take your time and try plenty of boats before you buy. Go with someone who knows the water a few times in rigs that interest you and you will find the right boat. I would be happy to take you for a ride in mine this weekend or next while i'm there just stop in and visit, I'm just past roughloffs on the left the blue 2 story near marker 65.

 

[Mike1010]

The 23'11" Haynie cat is a cadallac!

 

[Reefbuilder]

I have the 24 Haynie Cat and have no issues with spray.

 

[Redfishr]

Haynies and Shoalwaters are designed to NOT CAT SNEEZE.........I know this for a fact as I own a Haynie and Chris's marine went over this with me before I bought the boat....
So, no cat sneezin in my boat........Haynie 24 Cat

 

[greenhornet]

Recently I heard the first true concern about cats for me as I will be trading up in the next year and I am strongly considering a cat style. A guy mentioned that the floating grass is funneled right to the motor in his cat blocking his water intake causing motor to overheat. I already deal with this occasionally (was worse last summer for some reason) so if cats are worse this would be a big concern to me. Y'all have much problem with this?

 

[TX HOOKSETTER]

Recently I heard the first true concern about cats for me as I will be trading up in the next year and I am strongly considering a cat style. A guy mentioned that the floating grass is funneled right to the motor in his cat blocking his water intake causing motor to overheat. I already deal with this occasionally (was worse last summer for some reason) so if cats are worse this would be a big concern to me. Y'all have much problem with this?

INTERESTED IN THIS AS WELL... I AM LOOKING AT ORDERING A 21' CAT FROM SHOALWATER...

 

[Salt&Sol]

Grass

I ran through tons of grass last time out. I did NOT overheat. However I could tell I was bogging down so I would stop if I went through a large patch of grass (floating island more like it) Just grass here and there is no issue, its the large patches that will cause problems.. I just drive around them... Grass is NOT an issue year round, so no issue here. I have the larger intakes and the new beefed up Etec Magnum gear case with low water pick up.. I also dont drive with my engine up that far on my jack plate. leave my setting between 2 and 3. If I get crazy shallow I will raise it and if I am in real rough stuff I lower it..

 

[CaptDocHoliday]

I ran through tons of grass last time out. I did NOT overheat. However I could tell I was bogging down so I would stop if I went through a large patch of grass (floating island more like it) Just grass here and there is no issue, its the large patches that will cause problems.. I just drive around them... Grass is NOT an issue year round, so no issue here. I have the larger intakes and the new beefed up Etec Magnum gear case with low water pick up.. I also dont drive with my engine up that far on my jack plate. leave my setting between 2 and 3. If I get crazy shallow I will raise it and if I am in real rough stuff I lower it..

x2

My 14.5 Shoalwater Cat doesn't have a big issue with sneeze. When it does, it goes forward and not up so I don't get wet.

Grass hasn't been an issue for me. Being in such a small boat, I'm always running shallow to avoid the rough stuff. Only one time ever have I had my water pressue drop off, and that was after I had to get up in less than 10" of water. A quick reverse and the clog was cleared. As said above, the big mat's of grass can be a problem, but sparse floating grass isn't as much.

My cat will draft a true 6" at rest with me on board, deeper with passengers. On plane I'm drafting considerably less. Just gotta be careful running them. Since it does run so shallow, when you finally do get it stuck (and you will!) you can get it really really stuck!

Been there, done that (on a 2" sand flat = no fun).

Shop around and drive a bunch. There is no one boat that will meet every situation, and there is no one boat that is better than all the other. You need to identify your needs and fishing style and find the rig that meets them best.

Keep us posted!