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Sorry ,but i don't know why you use 20-30 lb. braid to catch some 10-20 lb. fish???
I was catching 23 lb. red fish with FIRELINE ORIGINAL SMOKE 4 lb.+14lb. fluorocarbon leader,and many specks 10 lb. and under!!!
where are you catching 10 lb specks and how many? that's more impressive than fishing with 4 lb line.
 
Jean, with all respect for an angler such as yourself that has been fishing in more places and longer than I have been alive, our techniques are much different. You are the long spinning rod King of Rollover Pass! Wade fishing is a different animal without a doubt.
Especially when im fishing from my kayak if i hang a clump of oyster shell and im on anchor i can usually pull it free and touch up the hooks with my hook sharpening stone real quick or cut off any frayed mono with a quick loop knot and get back to catching fish. If i can't free it and feel like im about to break off a $7 plug i will pull anchor or stake out stick and go retrieve it. When wading you may be casting in 5 or more feet of water and if its cold there is no way in hell im going over my waders to retrieve a lure but if i can pull it free its back to fishing. That tiny line would last about two casts on shell. With your long rods you are pretty much vertically jigging right? You are over the structure, not more level with it where your line is more susceptible to getting frayed on rocks, shells or other hazards. Other reasons are because I use mainly baitcasting reels and its impossible to use smaller than 15# braid without it digging in itself and causing more problems. I have a new shimano stradic ci4 with 20# on it as well, it just casts better. When youre casting a thousand times a day you run more risk of breaking off a lure if you use lighter line. Why do pro bass anglers sometimes use 65# braid on extra heavy rods just for a fish that averages 3-4#? For the same reason, they want to get its head turned and out of the tree, weeds or structure the fish are holding in. Another reason is the lighter the line/rod the longer you have to play the fish and the harder it is to release a big trout after playing with it for ten minutes on light line. Its too worn out, especially in hotter months where the water is also hot, a stressed fish can't be revived and released too often. If I am going for an IGFA line class record I may go for the lighter set up but not on a regular basis.

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Thanks Mac,you give me the right answer and now i can understand the reason for using stronger line.
Sorry ,most of my live in Europe i was fishing in fresh water(90% in rivers) so here for about 10 years i start to learn something about salt water fishing and because my health problem i can't wade or use one kayak for fishing.
Now i am able to fish just at Rollover Pass ,but before i was fishing on GALVESTON jetty,piers, SAINT LUIS PASS,Texas City DIKE and in fresh water below LIVINGSTON DAM.
Here in Texas i start to learn different fishing(fresh and salt water),because i can't find the fish what i was catching in Europe and i am happy because i was able to catch and here some fish,but for sure i have a lot to learn about fishing here.
But i am old and now is not easy to learn like when i was young the new things about fishing.
Mac,you give the right and logic explanation for using stronger lines and i understand you must adopt all the tackle for the place and fish you are fishing.
At ROLLOVER PASS i can fish easy with FIRELINE 4 lb.+8 lb.-14 lb.fluorocarbon leader catching nice fish,but for the reason to not lose so many jigs i am using and 10 lb. braid.+fluorocarbon leader.I like finesse fishing,but just where is possible to use finesse fishing.I am not looking to catch some trophy fish and to have some record ,i am fishing just for fish over the size limit in Texas ,but when one big fish bite i try to bring the fish in my landing net( sometimes i keep the fish , sometimes i release the fish).

Regards,

Jean
 
Thanks Mac,you give me the right answer and now i can understand the reason for using stronger line.
Sorry ,most of my live in Europe i was fishing in fresh water(90% in rivers) so here for about 10 years i start to learn something about salt water fishing and because my health problem i can't wade or use one kayak for fishing.
Now i am able to fish just at Rollover Pass ,but before i was fishing on GALVESTON jetty,piers, SAINT LUIS PASS,Texas City DIKE and in fresh water below LIVINGSTON DAM.
Here in Texas i start to learn different fishing(fresh and salt water),because i can't find the fish what i was catching in Europe and i am happy because i was able to catch and here some fish,but for sure i have a lot to learn about fishing here.
But i am old and now is not easy to learn like when i was young the new things about fishing.
Mac,you give the right and logic explanation for using stronger lines and i understand you must adopt all the tackle for the place and fish you are fishing.
At ROLLOVER PASS i can fish easy with FIRELINE 4 lb.+8 lb.-14 lb.fluorocarbon leader catching nice fish,but for the reason to not lose so many jigs i am using and 10 lb. braid.+fluorocarbon leader.I like finesse fishing,but just where is possible to use finesse fishing.I am not looking to catch some trophy fish and to have some record ,i am fishing just for fish over the size limit in Texas ,but when one big fish bite i try to bring the fish in my landing net( sometimes i keep the fish , sometimes i release the fish).

Regards,

Jean
No problem Jean, there is at least one thing we all have in common, the love of fishing. Its time for another Rollover report soon!

http://www.fishingscout.com/anglers/SmackDaddy
 
Maybe its just a confidence thing, but I feel like I get more bites when using a fluoro leader attached to braid. I feel like it gives me the sensitivity of braid and invisibility of fluoro, and I've never had any issue with the double uni knot breaking. I even use it with micro guide rods. Doesn't sound great but have never had a break off due to it.
This Is What alot of "folks" use. For Many different Reasons. The main One would be visability issues. Another is: Useing a Loopknot with Braid is almost impossible, but with Mono, theres alot more "action" with your lure.
When Retying to Mono, Your never Loosing any braid, You are loosing your mono...
I prefer tying mono to braid with a Surgeons Knot!
Slurp
 
This Is What alot of "folks" use. For Many different Reasons. The main One would be visability issues. Another is: Useing a Loopknot with Braid is almost impossible, but with Mono, theres alot more "action" with your lure.
When Retying to Mono, Your never Loosing any braid, You are loosing your mono...
I prefer tying mono to braid with a Surgeons Knot!
Slurp
Will have to agree to disagree which is why a lot of things like this just comes down to fishing what you are confident in and personal preference.

1. Visibility issues - Don't think it matters unless you are in LLM or super clear water. Have caught trophies on green braid tied directly to the line in super clear matagorda water. Have heard from some of the top guides in that area and galveston bay who catch trophy trout every year in clear water on straight braid. I could see it being an issue down south though but for mid to upper coast it doesn't matter. In the clearest of clear water I totally agree with you.

2. Loop knot - I threw my corkies in a pool with straight braid on a loop knot and noticed no difference in action compared to mono. If anything the mono just made my lure float more which isn't what I wanted it to do anyways, if I wanted that I'd throw a floater. Mono leaders are good for topwater applications and that's about it. They hinder your lures true sink rate. Not for me.

3. Losing the mono leader over braid - Also disagree because I lose more lures over shell and trophy fish due to my leader snapping/frayed knots/mistied knots through guides than the cost of losing a little bit of braid. If you wade for 6-8 hours at a time over shell that 20 lb. fluoro leader (let alone mono, mono will get destroyed quick) will lose a lot of line strength and eventually have a bunch of weak spots. Not gonna chance losing big fish. I'd personally rather spend a little extra money on extra braid then put more problems and potential issues between you and the fish aka knots, abrasions, connections, etc.

One more reason that I'm confident in straight braid is that if I get hung up I don't lose lures OR line 95% of the time because I can pop it out with my hands or pull up the entire shell clump with my lure attached. I can throw braid all day long and never worry about getting hung up or losing a bunch of line strength. Takes a lot of days fishing to break that 30 or 40 lb. braid and only a few bad shell hang-ups (or even one) to break that mono or fluoro. So all in all I say if you fish an area that isn't crystal clear fishing straight braid would have more benefits.

Above all else is to just throw whatever you have confidence in. Every point on both ends can be debated to the ends of the earth but it all comes down to personal preference. With all that said if I'm fishing lower laguna madre I'd certainly throw a leader.
 
I cant agree with braid with no leader has more benefits but like you stated, we will have to agree to disagree. Two more days of work and ill be fishing. Most of this is personal preference and most of the time fish couldnt care less. The old days were much more simple and they caught plenty of fish with much fewer choices in boats, line, reels etc.

http://www.fishingscout.com/anglers/SmackDaddy
 
I cant agree with braid with no leader has more benefits but like you stated, we will have to agree to disagree. Two more days of work and ill be fishing. Most of this is personal preference and most of the time fish couldnt care less. The old days were much more simple and they caught plenty of fish with much fewer choices in boats, line, reels etc.

http://www.fishingscout.com/anglers/SmackDaddy
Yeah I think it's all just over-thinking it - I'm with you on this one. Unless it's super clear you can rig something however you want to.

Glad you posted those pics Jean you got my blood flowing dude.
 
Not sure Gilbert. ;)

We need to ask the just barely legal kid (? Rackem) he may have that snoopy pole in the 4.5 or 5 ft wader mode with the extra fast shaft. :)

Speaking of the good Zebco SS saltwater, I bought one for my son when he was about 8. Not a bad reel but weighs about 4x a curado. I guess I need to dig it out of the attic and sell or give it away to someone with a little kid. They were proud of those reels back then Guess it had to do with the SS parts vs plastic and base metals.
 
I don't recall reading anything about the sound of the two. Ever held onto a lure tied with braid and had someone crank on their reel. It is Loud! The sound transfers through braid quite a bit. This is my biggest turnoff. I guess slow action lures may not have this issue, just rather stick with mono.
 
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