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i know there have been alot of threads about seasickness but i didnt find the info i needed in them . my ? is i seem to be bothered by my allergies all of a sudden or a sinus infection im not sure ( havent been to a doctor yet ) but anyways will this make me more prone to getting sick ? ive been on alot of trips and have never been sick ....opinions anyone?
 

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We have been keeping fenegrin (need prescription) on the boat for the last couple years and it cures anyone who gets on the boat and becomes :eek: sea-sick.


It may make them sleep for awhile but it settles the stomach and they are normally good as new in short order..:smile:

If you know someone is at high risk of getting sick :headknock (repeat offender) go ahead and give them one before leaving the dock.
 

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I went out a few weeks ago with one of those killer allergy headaches. Other than being misserable from the headache I didn't notice any seasick feeling, and I don't take any motion sickness drugs cause they make me tired. Go for it and tell us how it went.
 

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Depends on fluid in the ear....

I have heard that if you have an ear infection, or some other ailment that creates fluid in the ear, then this can affect your seasickness. The biggest issue is usually the tiny hairs in your inner ear that allow you to keep balance. It is usually these hairs swishing around on a boat that causes seasickness. So if as a side affect of allergies etc, you have fluid, this may increase your seasickness.

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i know there have been alot of threads about seasickness but i didnt find the info i needed in them . my ? is i seem to be bothered by my allergies all of a sudden or a sinus infection im not sure ( havent been to a doctor yet ) but anyways will this make me more prone to getting sick ? ive been on alot of trips and have never been sick ....opinions anyone?
 

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I used to average taking 600 people a year fishing in the Gulf. In all those years, I never found better advice than Capt. Larry Reid gave me one morning over the VHF. We were in the ICW, passing under the Surfside Bridge, and picking on each other like we did almost every morning.

I allowed that my charter customers of the day were expressing concerns about "Mal de Mar".

Larry immediately advised them to drink strawberry soda and eat popcorn.

My clients ears perked up, and they expressed solid interest in this new treatment.

Upon further discussion, Capt. Reid confessed that while this treatment would not make the customer feel any better, the results wold be much prettier that say, enchiladas and coffee....
 

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I will try the scopalomine pills later this month...if I can sweet-talk my PCP into the script. I'll post the results, barring any lethal side effects.

I've been green more than once. I think a gaff to the lungs would be more enjoyable.
 

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Sea Sickness

I have done lots of research on the subject, and have a thread somewhere around here on the topic, but here is a synopsis.



Nausea in general is cause by four different physiologic components that are interconnected and often work in concert: the inner ear (i.e. semicircular canals), the gastrointestinal tract (the GI tract = stomach and small intestine), the brain (i.e. the chemotactic trigger zone), and psychological input.



I will address each independently, but like most medical conditions each components will affect the others. And the effects are additive and will often cause activation of the every part of the nausea cycle.



INNER EAR - our sense of balance is almost entire determined by the semicircular canals in the inner ear. Fluid and small hairs in these canals let us know when our head has changed positions. In a boat while we are bouncing around on waves, the canals tell us we are moving, but relative to boat we don't see movement. This in coordination of what we see, with what our inner is feeling causes the nausea. This is why looking at the horizon is advocated for people feeling sick. You also put people in the front seat who are car sick for the same reason. Incidentally after drinking lots of alcohol the viscosity of the inner ear fluid changes and you can experience the "spins". The most important thing to remember is the inner ear communicates through "cholinergic" receptors.



GI TRACT - anyone with Montezuma's revenge can attest that spoiled or contaminated food can give you and upset stomach and a case of the squirts. But most importantly, all serious nausea, regardless of the cause, ends up making the GI tract work backwards. Bile and other intestinal juices flow back in to stomach which will promptly empty via vomiting. So while some nausea can be directly caused by or accentuated by food (this is why greasy meals should be avoided because they take longer to digest and sit around longer) seasickness just activates the GI tract from the other causes of nausea.



BRAIN - the chemotactic trigger zone is an area of the brain that is directly activated by chemicals in the blood stream. Chemotherapy, general anesthetics and an assortment of medications can directly cause nausea through this part of the brain. Additionally other forms of nausea can be linked to this area as well.



PSYCHOLOGICAL - everyone has heard that "it's all in your head". And in some ways they are correct. I once burned a girlfriend with no history of motion sickness on a offshore fishing trip at night. From that day forward, anytime she saw a boat on TV she would get nauseated. This used to happen to chemotherapy patients. Some would get sick just driving by the hospital weeks after their treatment. But now we have got great anti-nausea agents and this doesn't happen anymore.



The treatments -



Ginger - this homeopathic agent works mainly in the GI tract. The Chinese have used it for centuries to settle upset stomachs, and there is now some scientific rationale. It seems to promote the normal flow of intestinal contents.



Pressure points/wrist bands (i.e. median nerve stimulation) - Again there is some research that shows stimulation of the median nerve promotes normal GI flow.



Dramamine/Bonnie/Phenergan (i.e. antihistamines) - The primary action on these medications blocks Histamine receptors (which has little effect on nausea), but secondarily they can cause sedation and some protection from nausea but blocking "cholinergic receptors" in the inner ear. Histamine receptors are highly variable and so are the individual responses. That is why a medication works for one person but not others. More on this later.



Scopolamine (i.e. the patch or in pill form) - The main action of the drug is a primary blocking the "cholinergic receptors". It works very well at preventing the inner ear from telling the brain that it feels motions. Unfortunately these are not the only cholinergic receptors that are blocked. You will lose your sense of balance, your mouth will be dry, you won't be able to focus on small print, and perhaps most disturbing you may have trouble urinating. Short terms these side effects are hardly noticeable, but after a few day of use you may need to go to the hospital for a catheter. On a side note it does not matter where you put the patch. The activity is based on blood levels of the medication absorbed through the skin, and there is nothing special about the area behind the ear other than you won't rub it off easily by accident.



Serotonin Antagonists (i.e. zofran) - these are the newest prescription medications used for the treatment of nausea. They work by blocking activation of the serotonin receptors in the brain but there is some activity in the GI tract. They work great for the nausea from general anesthesia and chemotherapy, and only moderately for motion sickness.



My plan - basically I take a shot gun approach with the understanding that it much easier to prevent than treat. I cover everything I can with drugs and use positive reinforcement for the psychological (or get somebody hooked up to a good fish early). Everyone new one I take fishing gets at least a Dramamine and scopolamine patch. Light meals with lots of hydration and no beer (at least early on). If they start to feel bad I blast them with a serotonin antagonist. If they still feel bad they get the silver bullet (a phenergan suppository) that will at least put them out of misery and lets them sleep it off. On a side note, I have noticed that if someone can fall asleep on a rocking boat for a good nap, that seems to reset the inner ear and they wake up feeling good.



I have had discussions with navy doctors and people in the coast guard to see what they do for individuals with motion sickness and it is mostly nothing. As long as the individual is not dehydrated with electrolyte abnormalities (which can happen with extreme vomiting) they make them tough it out. In most cases after a few days they feel completely fine. This is little consolidation when you are faced with the possibility of 12 more hours with the horrors of the mal de mar.

So to answer you question yes, having sinus pressure can accentuation the accitivity on the inner ear making motion sickness worse. Your best be would be to try scopolamine.

-CP
 

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Best way is a perscription by your primary care physician. You want Zofran 8 mg tablets. It comes in a oral dissolving tablet (that is easy to swallow and won't make you gag when nauseated) and a regular pill form that is cheaper. The worst thing about this medication is the cost 20+ dollars a pill without insurance. But the side effects are basically none (rarely a headache).
 

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I keep a bottle of Ginger Crystal with me when offshore. Easy to take, taste good and settle the stomach. You can get it at any supermarket spice counter.

I see many folks wearing some kind of a stick on patch below, behind each ear prior to boarding the boat. I do not know what that is, but it must work.
Thanks, John
 

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Hey CP you left a treatment off your list. Dramaweed, it works by separating the mind from the body.
LMAO I tried the Dramaweed :spineyes: once, guess I should have wolved down a box of ginger snaps instead of the :spam: . Hey CP thanks for the info I was surprised to see that there is a Scopalamine pill ,the patch works for me but it is a little embarassing /(foolish pride)/however swallowing pride is easier than swallowing, a puke,:eek: sorry. Anyway, now I can enjoy my passion and pride via the pill, i.e. hiding my weakness. CP, you sound like you have done your research well, but regarding applying the patch to other parts of your body ???? had the Rx said that I could have saved myself the embarassment years ago.
 
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