[Jkmoore03]

Couldn't agree more! On another note same has happened with the ducks and habitat disruption, flyways have had to shift with the changes made to the habitat. Hunt the same way you did 30 years ago and you just ain't gonna harvest what you did back then. Gear has advanced to help the waterfowl hunters ensure better success but if you ain't where they are at it doesn't matter.

You’re exactly right and spot on with the waterfowl reference. I was actually going to use that as an example as well.

 

[Angrycast]

It seems like to me the bigger debate is whether or not the guides targeting trout abiding by the same said rec limits are impacting the population or not. (A Defiantle YES.. less pressure more fish.. duh!!!) And trying to say that they have less of an impact than habitat changes etc. is just a slide of hand tactic so they can keep doing what they are doing instead of getting a real job like the rest of us. It is simple math. less fish kept more fish in the bay for the rec fisherman. Which everybody should agree that most of the "boom of people" on the water these days don't know what the hell they are doing anyway. That's why they are relying on the guides to but fish in the boat. If I had it my way the guides, which less face it are "commercial fisherman" in sheep's clothing and need to be regulated, should only be able to guide people in a catch and release only or limit them to 2-3 fish and let the true rec fisherman have the 5-10 limits or ban the guides all together. I've personally had guides with their 25ft tanks with 4-6 people run right on top of me in the bays like they own the place and I'm tired of it. I mainly target Redfish these days because I don't feel like fighting off people for the right to fish for the slot trout. They don't even eat all that good. Anybody that knows what they are doing and are targeting the oversize trout are in it for the experience and ain't keeping any anyway. So they sure as hell aint hurting the population either and they are off grid and not where the other ******** are so let em be. If you want to see the inshore trout population snap back put a stop to these guides and see what happens.

" MIc Drop"

 

[Sgrem]

Username checks out....

Be sure to tell all your friends, neighbors, vendors, customers, families with kids, vets, disabled anglers, blue collar guys that can't afford a boat, alllllllll the tourists and visitors to not hire the guides. Make sure you tell them for sure that they shouldn't hire guides to be introduced to and learn and enjoy the sport of fishing like you have your whole life. The don't deserve it. Spread the word so they don't hire guides to do that job.......cuz the guides are the problem.....roll eyes. Pic up your mic and stay in the discussion......


Guides are hired....by everyone you know. Because you won't take them to your spot.

 

[Angrycast]

I didn't call you out personally but I figured you would be first one chime in. I have a right to my opinion same as you. You guys are the problem buddy whether ya'll want to admit it or not.
That's just the position I expected a guide full of themselves would take on it. Good job buddy. I know you got a lot of people on here behind you but all I see is a bully.
If people can't go out there and figure it out on their own like the rest of us then they need to focus on other hobbies and let us that really have a love for it enjoy it.

vets, the disabled and kids are welcome on my boat anytime.
I'll see ya out there buddy. You can't miss me I'll be the one in this badass Shoalwater flipping you the bird and catching all your fish!

 

[Sgrem]

......clearly I'm the bully.

 

[Jkmoore03]

Username checks out....

Be sure to tell all your friends, neighbors, vendors, customers, families with kids, vets, disabled anglers, blue collar guys that can't afford a boat, alllllllll the tourists and visitors to not hire the guides. Make sure you tell them for sure that they shouldn't hire guides to be introduced to and learn and enjoy the sport of fishing like you have your whole life. The don't deserve it. Spread the word so they don't hire guides to do that job.......cuz the guides are the problem.....roll eyes. Pic up your mic and stay in the discussion......


Guides are hired....by everyone you know. Because you won't take them to your spot.

🎤

 

[Jkmoore03]

I didn't call you out personally but I figured you would be first one chime in. I have a right to my opinion same as you. You guys are the problem buddy whether ya'll want to admit it or not.
That's just the position I expected a guide full of themselves would take on it. Good job buddy. I know you got a lot of people on here behind you but all I see is a bully.
If people can't go out there and figure it out on their own like the rest of us then they need to focus on other hobbies and let us that really have a love for it enjoy it.

vets, the disabled and kids are welcome on my boat anytime.
I'll see ya out there buddy. You can't miss me I'll be the one in this badass Shoalwater flipping you the bird and catching all your fish!

You’ve got some issues bud. Is it all the extra men in fishing gear that’s getting you so worked up (you seem a little sensitive like that) or the fact that you need to over compensate for your own shortcomings and don’t want extra people on the water taking “your private resource of fish”. Either way, careful with the threats. I’m the knucklehead that will literally drag you off your boat in the middle of the bay and teach you a real lesson. No obscenities or hand gestures, just straight pain my friend.

So simmer down before your wife has to start dating a real fisherman in your absence 😘

 

[Gilbert]

It seems like to me the bigger debate is whether or not the guides targeting trout abiding by the same said rec limits are impacting the population or not. (A Defiantle YES.. less pressure more fish.. duh!!!) And trying to say that they have less of an impact than habitat changes etc. is just a slide of hand tactic so they can keep doing what they are doing instead of getting a real job like the rest of us. It is simple math. less fish kept more fish in the bay for the rec fisherman. Which everybody should agree that most of the "boom of people" on the water these days don't know what the hell they are doing anyway. That's why they are relying on the guides to but fish in the boat. If I had it my way the guides, which less face it are "commercial fisherman" in sheep's clothing and need to be regulated, should only be able to guide people in a catch and release only or limit them to 2-3 fish and let the true rec fisherman have the 5-10 limits or ban the guides all together. I've personally had guides with their 25ft tanks with 4-6 people run right on top of me in the bays like they own the place and I'm tired of it. I mainly target Redfish these days because I don't feel like fighting off people for the right to fish for the slot trout. They don't even eat all that good. Anybody that knows what they are doing and are targeting the oversize trout are in it for the experience and ain't keeping any anyway. So they sure as hell aint hurting the population either and they are off grid and not where the other **** are so let em be. If you want to see the inshore trout population snap back put a stop to these guides and see what happens.

" MIc Drop"

this is the dumbest thing typed on here, wow.

 

[Kevin Nicholls]

Are we allowed to state our opinion after the mic has been dropped? I'm not sure how that works....

 

[w_r_ranch]

You’ve got some issues bud. Is it all the extra men in fishing gear that’s getting you so worked up (you seem a little sensitive like that) or the fact that you need to over compensate for your own shortcomings and don’t want extra people on the water taking “your private resource of fish”. Either way, careful with the threats. I’m the knucklehead that will literally drag you off your boat in the middle of the bay and teach you a real lesson. No obscenities or hand gestures, just straight pain my friend.

So simmer down before your wife has to start dating a real fisherman in your absence 😘

Don't let him get a rise out of you... that's what he wants & why he instigated this.

 

[Stumpgrinder1]

Ok. This thread has jumped the shark.

Tight lines fellas

 

[Jkmoore03]

Don't let him get a rise out of you... that's what he wants & why he instigated this.

I’m good. Just wanted him to feel his own medicine lol

 

[rainbowrunner]

And Bamm, he’s gone.

Good conversation for a while on a good subject.

 

[FREON]

Looks like you won't have to worry about his dumb arse comments anymore.

 

[Camper_bob]

So, I think the impact of the guides has been recognized. Primarily because TPWD is going to base the number of rec fishermen on the number of licenses sold. EVERY ONE of those guides' customers is required to have a license. Right?

And TPWD bases limits on number of licenses versus their estimate of the population of the resource? Right?

And the guides' customers are not pulling their limit every day of the year. They're likely to pull their limit once or twice a year, if at all. Right?

So I think that "guides are taking all the fish" argument is just belly-aching non-sense not based in reality. Maybe jealousy, or whatever, I don't know or care. But personally, I think I'd rather have a lot of those people out there in a guide boat than out on their own... notwithstanding the "inconsiderate" ones that will climb right on top of you.

 

[Davidsel47]

While I don't know how this ever became about "guides" being a problem when most were saying "pressure" in general. However I do watch a lot of outdoors shows and there are states that will only allow X amount of guides license to be issued. Im not sure why they would implement this rule at all with it being a free country and all.

 

[Jkmoore03]

So, I think the impact of the guides has been recognized. Primarily because TPWD is going to base the number of rec fishermen on the number of licenses sold. EVERY ONE of those guides' customers is required to have a license. Right?

And TPWD bases limits on number of licenses versus their estimate of the population of the resource? Right?

And the guides' customers are not pulling their limit every day of the year. They're likely to pull their limit once or twice a year, if at all. Right?

So I think that "guides are taking all the fish" argument is just belly-aching non-sense not based in reality. Maybe jealousy, or whatever, I don't know or care. But personally, I think I'd rather have a lot of those people out there in a guide boat than out on their own... notwithstanding the "inconsiderate" ones that will climb right on top of you.

Great points.

 

[Davidsel47]

Lets get this Conversation really interesting.

Only the guides using Croaker are to blame

Just kidding

 

[Kevin Nicholls]

When we look at studies that show how little some fish move it could give some merit to rod and reel making an impact on the population. Is it substantial, I doubt it. I fish a lot and almost everyone I know fishes to some degree, most don't take it very seriously and don't do very well when they do go. It's not important to most of them. Rod and reel guys need good weather, time off from work etc. Habit loss is gone all day every day, common sense says it effects population dramatically more. We move fish, I know this from a lifetime on the water. TP&W surveys may not be the most efficient but they have long term data that's some of the best in the country. We can debate the limits all we want but I've said in the past, WE can have an impact and make it better. I'm against tightening limits, I set my own standards (in legal limits of course), they may not be the same as yours. If they make it legal to keep 5 again it doesn't mean I have to keep them.

 

[sideshow]

Even though there are more "guides" now than ever I dont agree to go after someones lively hood. They will put themselves out of business anyway if they decide to tun their operation the wrong way. Seems like people have strayed from the topic. Does human affect the trout population with rod and reel...of course they do. If you strictly target big trout say over 28 inches and only catch 4 in 6 months thats a tell tell sign we just dont have many left...In Galveston Bay anyways.