[deke]

I lost a good fish today on a hard strike. The knot where the flourocarbon meets the power pro failed. The PP cut through the flouro. I have had this happen before when you backlash a heavy lure and the line goes taught and SNAP it has broken at the knot. I use the knot that they show you in the PP package. You guys ever have this problem? Do you use another knot thatn the one they show?

I also wonder about it weakening as it goes through the last eye, I have recoil guides and they have more of an edge to them then do reg. eyes and I hear that loud tick when I cast, just a thought. The leader had been on this rod for 3-4 trips now, maybe I should retie every 1-2 trips? PP might cut through the flouro slowly over time and fish.

 

[ANGEL]

I use a smal swivel and a not too long leader, that way when I cast it wont go trough the eyes of the rod
it dosent affect the movement of the lure either ,atleast I havent noticed it

 

[kdubya]

Deke,

I use Power Pro as well, and tie on about three feet of flurocarbon leader. I use a double uni-knot and have had zero problems in 10-15 trips using this setup.

I dont remember what knot they have on the packaging, but I've had good success with the double uni.

Kelly

 

[Salty Dog]

If you are hearing a tick then that is your problem. What is happening is it is in effect beating the knot every cast and in time it will come apart. Tied properly tightened well and trimmed extremely close the uni to uni will shoot thru the guides without the tick.

How do you know the PP is cutting the flouro? I highly doubt it actually cut the flouro. I'd say chances are the knot slipped. It was probably screwed up by the repeated beating it took shooting thru the guides. If I cast and can feel it ticking the guides I re-do my knot.

You might hit the knot with a drop of super glue too. Helps a whole bunch. Then you can trim it super close without worrying about the knot slipping.

 

[deke]

Angel, I don't like to use a swivel like that, just personal preference. I have Spro swivels on all my jig heads, and like the inline knots.

." I'd say chances are the knot slipped. "
No there was still a picece of the flouro attached to the PP.

"How do you know the PP is cutting the flouro"
Not 100%, but this is why you can't use a surgeons knot, it will cut through it, so I assumed it could do the same with this knot.

"You might hit the knot with a drop of super glue too. Helps a whole bunch. Then you can trim it super close without worrying about the knot slipping"
I like this idea. I always leave some tag end, I'm scared about it slipping. This way I can cut it clean off at the knot.

 

[stew1tx]

That's one more un-natural thing a fish can see against the lure. I use really small barrel swivels and about 18" of flouro.

 

[kdubya]

I always do my double uni with six wraps on each uni end. I try and trim the tag ends as close as possible, but still slightly visible.

I am using a Laguna rod with the recoil guides. I get the noticable "tick" when I cast and reel. I personally havent had any problems with the guides on the knot. They certainly do fray the tag end of the Power Pro, but like I say it's a very small tag end fray.
Not sure what's going on Deke.

Im hearing a lot more people tying directly to their lure with P. P. No leader material.
Can anyone else chime in on tying straight on without a leader ?

Kelly

 

[kenny]

Im hearing a lot more people tying directly to their lure with P. P. No leader material.
Can anyone else chime in on tying straight on without a leader ?

Kelly

Why not Kelly, seems like it should work? I've always wondered why we think the fish can see the line and not notice two or three sets of treble hooks. LOL

I'm old-school and still use mono, no leader, tied directly to the lure

 

[deke]

"That's one more un-natural thing a fish can see against the lure"
I learned this trick from Tim Redden in 98. He probably caught more fish in year than most do in a lifetime so I trust his knowledge. It hasn't been a problem so far.

"Im hearing a lot more people tying directly to their lure with P. P. No leader material"
This might work in off colored water, but in clear water or if your line is older and faded it will stick out. I know from experience that in Laguna clear shallow water the reds didn't like it, but once the leader was on, they were on. I would feel more confident if the line was new.

 

[wading_fool]

I have gone to PP tied directly to a small Spro swivel and a speed clip on my soft plastics. I always used the small spro and a small piece of Flouro but some good friends told me to just go straight to the lure with the PP, I have only made 2 trips and haven't noticed much of a difference in bites.

 

[Freshwaterman]

I went to PP and now use a very loose drag. This pretty much cured the problem for me. I believe it's recommended to loosen the drag when using braided line in general.

 

[Salty Dog]

Set your drag just like you would for 12# mono. or whatever sized mono you use to use. You don't have to set it super loose. I want it set to match the rod, the drag will slip if I set the hook too hard or when a big fish lunges.

The reason I use a mono or flouro leader with Power Pro is because when I tie directly to a topwater I have lots of problems with the line wrapping around the front hook of the topwater. The stiffer mono or flouro leader keeps that from happening. I have tied directly to plastics and it worked fine.

 

[jabx1962]

I tie straight on..Palomar...

Flouro is GARBAGE...........

Im hearing a lot more people tying directly to their lure with P. P. No leader material.
Can anyone else chime in on tying straight on without a leader ?

Kelly

Why not Kelly, seems like it should work? I've always wondered why we think the fish can see the line and not notice two or three sets of treble hooks. LOL

I'm old-school and still use mono, no leader, tied directly to the lure

 

[wading_fool]

I still use Mono for Topwaters....because of the stretch...only use Power Pro for plastics

 

[gulfcoast200]

Try a tripple surgeons knot. Its easy to tie and I use 6' leaders with recoil guides no problems. I use 8lb diameter power pro tied to 20lb P-line floro and its very rare if my knot breaks most of mine occur in the loop knot on the lure or find a nick in the leader. Trim the tag ends as short as possible and wet the line when you go to pull it tight. Also a double surgeons knot works very good on mono to floro leaders.

 

[deke]

"The reason I use a mono or flouro leader with Power Pro is because when I tie directly to a topwater I have lots of problems with the line wrapping around the front hook of the topwater. The stiffer mono or flouro leader keeps that from happening"

I'm with you, the flouro really helps with this.

"the drag will slip if I set the hook too hard "
This happened several times today.

"Try a tripple surgeons knot"
This was the knot, all be it not a triple, that I was told and witnessed first had, that would cut through the flourocarbon. This was the knot I used when I was using 12lb XL to flouro.

 

[El Robalo]

I lost a good fish today on a hard strike. The knot where the flourocarbon meets the power pro failed. The PP cut through the flouro. I have had this happen before when you backlash a heavy lure and the line goes taught and SNAP it has broken at the knot. I use the knot that they show you in the PP package. You guys ever have this problem? Do you use another knot thatn the one they show?

I also wonder about it weakening as it goes through the last eye, I have recoil guides and they have more of an edge to them then do reg. eyes and I hear that loud tick when I cast, just a thought. The leader had been on this rod for 3-4 trips now, maybe I should retie every 1-2 trips? PP might cut through the flouro slowly over time and fish.

I had the same problems when I first started using superlines. Now I never loose a big fish (big snook love structure and you have to pull them out)
due to knot failure. Superlines will cut through flouro and mono leaders when under extreme stress. The trick for me was to disperse the pressure by doubling the superline and treating it as one, also wrapping it at least 8 times around the flouro, then wrapping the flouro 4 times to complete the double uni.

I had problems with PP line snapping when tossing (not at the knot connection) a big plug or spoon and actually sent it back to PP company and they agreed it was flawed due to line getting damaged during
manufacturing. I switched to Fireline until Stren came out with Super Braid and had no problems with either.

 

[skinnyme]

Try the triple surgeon's knot when connecting PP to a flouro leader. The regular surgeon's will pull every time but the triple surgeons has held up very well to my stress test. I wrap both lines around a wooden dowl and pull. Never a break and I promise I've pulled a lot harder than most anything you'll encounter in the bay. I'm still new to PP so I can't speak to how well it will hold after a lot of use.

 

[Mike in Friendswood]

What lb. test PP are you using. I have had great luck with the 30 lb. test. I tried the 10 lb. test on a couple reels, and have sent a few lures "to the moon".

Mike

 

[Salty Dog]

What lb. test PP are you using. I have had great luck with the 30 lb. test. I tried the 10 lb. test on a couple reels, and have sent a few lures "to the moon".

Mike

Yeah, I have had great luck with 20# and 30# but the 10# was problematic for me as well. I think it would be ideal on an ultralight spinner but not on a baitcaster.