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Considering a PANGA MARINE 22' Marquessa

Like the look and believe it would fit my style of fishing.

I am a simple NO bells & whistles kind of guy, and like that it has no wood and a more modern design.

I have read a number of different post here via the search button.....

Looks Like there is only one choice in Texas as far as dealers.....

Any pros or cons from 1st hand experience you can share ?

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I have not been in that brand of panga, but my 22LX is a hoss. I have owned alot of boats, but i have never had more people come up and want to ask questions about it or look in it. Fixing to sell mine about 50hrs, with alot of updates if your iterested. Im sure ride on the 22 is similiar on most models, and they just flat out rock.

i ran from Corpus to SPI and fished a Bachelor Party tourney about 250 miles round trip with 3 big guys and 3 loaded ice chests on about 55 gallons. Its a cruiser.



 

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A buddy of mine just bought a Bonefish 22' Panga from Andros Boatworks.

http://www.androsboats.com/22b.cfm

Got it from a rep in Corpus who sells them. If you want the contact I can get it for you.

Very nice boat and will even run with some of the flats boats when it comes to shallow water. But it can also cut across the bay without sending you to a chiropractor and it can go nearshore to hit the close rigs when the conditions permit. Has a very interesting hull design.

Nicely built and with a etec 150 it holeshots hard.... I took it for a test run and it rides very nice. Might be fishing it this weekend.

If anyone wants more info I'll see if I can get him on 2cool....

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Hey Dave, thanks for the intro.

'skipper, I have the 22 Bonefish with the TTop that is pictured on andros site. Great boat, floats in 8, holeshot in 16 (soft bottom, need a little more water if over rock). Not as shallow as a shallow sport or majek but also softer riding, really dry, and can handle offshore stuff with ease on good to moderate seas. Obviously higher freeboard makes family use a lot easier if that's important to you.

andros makes (used to make?) an unlined version of the bonefish. That may suit your needs better. No frills, cheaper, lighter. Give Andy a ring at Andros.

I'm sure you'll be happy with whatever panga you go with. They are pretty rocking boats. Also, the yahoo panga group is a good source of info:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/panga_style_boats/

BK, sweet rig. What are you replacing the panga with? I think we crossed paths over on Tyler's site.
 

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I am wanting to find a 26' Super Panga for a new build. Plain hull and do a custom build with tower drive. Cant go wrong with any of the mfgrs IMO all neat boats.

My wife says I have a problem with building stuff, think I like to rig/build about as much as I like to fish.
 

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Thanks for the info.....

I never realized how many differnt makers and styles of Pangas there were.....
 

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I am wanting to find a 26' Super Panga for a new build. Plain hull and do a custom build with tower drive. Cant go wrong with any of the mfgrs IMO all neat boats.

My wife says I have a problem with building stuff, think I like to rig/build about as much as I like to fish.
BK, check out this guys "air tower" on an angler 26 panga. Pretty cool setup.

Look at the baots tab, then the 26' tab. Tower pics at the bottom of his page.

http://www.carrabellecharters.com/
 

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I think Pangas are cool, but keeping coming back to the fact they cost just as much as anything else out there. They started off in thirld world countries and such as a easy to own and operate boat for the masses and we have done gone and put the bling on them.
 

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I think Pangas are cool, but keeping coming back to the fact they cost just as much as anything else out there. They started off in thirld world countries and such as a easy to own and operate boat for the masses and we have done gone and put the bling on them.
You are so RIGHT !!!

What I do like is the smaller motors, and keeping it under the 150hp range...for gas consumption

I LIKE simple....less to break, and less to mess up.....

I am selling my Carolina Skiff 24' after 1 year, as I have out grown it, and want more out of my vessel.....but will miss the simplicity....

I just cant see paying $35K on a simple boat....and will not pay more than $30.......

the Panga.com boats are still being sold......for less than $20K but have no storage.....and no one to back up their hull.....so that one is scratched off the list....

Panga Andros....is to fancy for where I fish.....but they sure are fine looking rides..

Panga Marine seems to be the best fit.....but I will see how she rides next week.....

On a good note.....they just released the 130hp and that will be perfect for it....
 

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Captain Billy Sandifers Panga

Here is a report he put on ectremecoast.com about his panga.

"constantly receiving so many inquiries about the panga that instead of attempting to answer each one I thought I'd write this up and perhaps it will answer most of the questions most commonly asked. To my knowledge I've personally owned 8 boats from 14' to 36 1/2' long plus 2 Zodiacs. There is no perfect boat for all uses but for me the 25' Mexican Panga I own and run is as close as it gets and it's the last boat I'll ever own. Had I owned it first I'd never have had the 8 earlier ones.

From the first time I ever saw one decades ago I thought "now that is what a boat should look like" and I instantly fell in love with the design. The design orginated in the 1930s as a seaworthy, economical, low maintenance, open boat for the poor working fishermen of the 3rd. world and with certain localized modifications this hull design is in use world wide and literally in all type of sea conditions. As near as I can tell I AM a poor working fisherman of the 3rd. World. As we know it has probably gained more fame for successfully running drugs in rough seas than fishing. My panga was busted twice on PINS and was seized and I bought it at U. S. Marshall's public auction. The word "panga" is African meaning "the thin blade" and refers to the narrow beam compared to the overall length. This is the main reason for it's economy to operate and personally I think it also has something to do with the seaworthyness as well. Although my panga is 25' long it is only 72" abeam outside to outside and 68 1/2" inside measurement. If you look at the specs on the American made pangas most are much wider. That is part of the Americanization mind set but in all truth I think it takes away from the intent of the original design and to me they are panga in name only. You'll also find they have a high dollar price tag. I wanted the original design and waited 1 1/2 years for this boat to become available at auction. I assume it is an Imemsa as it is has "Hecho in Mexico" stamped in the hull and came here from Tampico.

These boats are extremely difficult to acquire and I was unsuccessful in numerous attempts to get one from the factory in Mexico City even though I had import/export professionals try. IF one could make a deal with Imemsa in Mexico City and get all the arrangements involved taken care of you could purchase one with a modest center console and decked in for a VERY reasonable price. I simply never could. I have spent 14 months and a fortune getting this boat set up and outfitted to suit me but it was because I knew I was going to keep it for the rest of my life and I knew exactly what I was going to use it for and I did not spare any expense. I'm going to run long distances at times so it has a brand new 175 hp Suzuki 4 stroke on it. It runs 38 mph at 4500 rpm while getting 4 miles to the gallon. I've never yet tested the top end over distance but have had it up to 47 mph at 5100 rpm but there goes your gas efficency. It gets up clean in 2' of water and runs in 1.' It's dry and smooth in head seas and a race horse in following seas and wet and rough riding if forced to take sizeable swells off the quarter to the stern. But then so is everything else. It is not tipsy at anchor. I decked it out with 5/8" fir plywood and glass. 240 gal. plastic fuel tanks give me a range of 320 miles round trip. The k top is designed of a mesh that allows the wind to pass through and doesn't interfere greatly with speed. There is an anchor compartment in the bow and 2 storage compartments to the rear of it but they aren't dry. It's not self bailing as I felt it imperative to retain 20" freeboard. 2 bilge pumps are in the stern.

The compartment forward of the center console holds the fuel tanks and is intentionally exactly the same height as the rail. Imagine how much pressure an angler can put of a large fish by sitting on thatc compartment and bracing his feet against the rail in complete safety. The ice chests are removable and held in place by rubber keepers on the deck and cinched down to hardware on the deck with safety straps. I have a large aireatored bait tank that has it's own electrical connection and that is removable when not needed. The mats on the deck are there as they provide wonderful foot relief when standing on the deck all day and also when a bloody fish is brought on deck the blood can be quickly washed off with sea water and will go down into the gaps in the mat and give those on board a safe, non-slick deck to stand on. I can wash the blood out at the house. There is a raised fore deck that is wonderful for casting and for the safety of fishermen it only made common sense to put a waist high guard rail forward. One of these boats bare hull weighs 1,080 pounds and decked in with a small center console Imemsa quotes the weight at a bit over 1,600 lbs. I have gone to all lengths practical to keep the weight down on mine and still have what I need and I'll bet mine weighs less than the 23' Explorer I had. There is only the slightest hesitation on take off and it comes on plane and reaches high speed very quickly. These boats are often thought of as flat bottomed and that simple isn't true. The hull is quite complex and qualifies for what is known as a modified v hull. I monitored the two panga message boards that are on internet plus read all other info I could find and decided to put custom Lenco trim tabs on the boat. Andy at Andros Boatbuilders ordered them for me and was extremely helpful. Andy has a good reputation and if I was interested in an Americanized version Andros is probably a good reputable builder to consider.

A friend, Jason Seacrest, also has a panga and he went with a hydrofoil on his and no trim tabs. His boat did not give him the ride he hoped for and he is putting Lenco trim tabs on his as well. Various companies have made attempts at importing Imemsa boats and then selling them as their own. I don't think any of that has turned out well. As my panga is designed for big game fishing there are cleats and rod holders everwhere and every rod holder has it's own safety snap in line to keep rigs and or anglers from getting jerked overboard. I installed an 8' Power Pole as they are invaluable in bay fishing and have the largest remote controlled Minn-Kota trolling motor made on it as I will be doing plenty of Tarpon fishing and Tarpon and many other species simply won't allow you to approach using the big engine without spooking. The trolling motor can also be removed easily. State of the art seperate depth finder and GPS and a VHF radio. Both Jason Seacrest and I notice a SLIGHT list in the port bow when at high speeds that is hard to adjust out. I've decided it is due to the high torque generated by the large outboards we are using. It can be done away with y shifting the heavier passengers a bit to the starboard side. Due to the high profile presented by the panga hull it drifts fast and 2 48" sea anchors are required to control the excessive speed of the drift. Even more control can be acquired by placing the socks to run off the stern and letting the boat drift bow first. The self bailing engine well is awesome and so far has completely stopped seawater from breaching the boat in the stern. Well, there you have it. Everything you ever wanted to know about panga and probably more. I'd own nothin' else."

Here is a link to the thread.

http://extremecoast.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11081&p=96096#p96096

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Stuart said:
I think Pangas are cool, but keeping coming back to the fact they cost just as much as anything else out there. They started off in thirld world countries and such as a easy to own and operate boat for the masses and we have done gone and put the bling on them.
There is just now way a whaler or grady white could carry near as many kilos, plus a few illegals up into the surf... Panga the original :)
 

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Yes, they started out as bathtub type boats made on easy to make molds and where made very cheap. Now we are making them, marking them up way to much and getting people to buy them cause they look different. They rock and roll a lot in offshore waters and are really made for bays and calm waters. Like side on this site for the cost I would buy a different boat. They are cool but that is all I can say about them.
 

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Factory cost

Quote from a guy that visited the panga factory "They will ship to Laredo for a fee. You have to pay a broker a fee, Mexico and USA taxes and you must have a trailer ready for the boat. I know that some of you will probaby want to know what the prices are. The W25 is $3,645, with floor it is $4,280. The W26 is $4,172, with floor and console it is $5,800."

5,800 for a 26' boat is a steal! 4K for a trailer and 20K for motor = 30K for 26' of a great fishing is hard to beat. My next boat will be a panga thats hecho en Mexico. Jason Slocum
 

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Yes, they started out as bathtub type boats made on easy to make molds and where made very cheap. Now we are making them, marking them up way to much and getting people to buy them cause they look different. They rock and roll a lot in offshore waters and are really made for bays and calm waters. Like side on this site for the cost I would buy a different boat. They are cool but that is all I can say about them.
So pangas are the only boat riding on hype and bling? Not all the panga mfgrs. are priced liked Andros. I could not afford an Andros, but the fit an finish is on line with anyhting in the price range.
 

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Stuart said:
I think Pangas are cool, but keeping coming back to the fact they cost just as much as anything else out there. They started off in thirld world countries and such as a easy to own and operate boat for the masses and we have done gone and put the bling on them.
My panga was a 26 center console with a diesel engine. It would hold it's own in the ride dept against anything in the same volume range.

On a decent trailer with enough accessories to go fishing the day I got it, it cost less than $35k drive out.

Find me ANY new 26ft CC in that price range.
That's cheaper than a big carolina skiff and rides about 500% better.
I can't think of anything that's more versitle and gives more bang for the buck than that panga one did.

I agree with the bling thing. A lot of the US pangas are just an attempt to make something they where never intended to be. Fortunately there are still a few like the 18ft panga marine skiff that are still "pangas". When used the way they where intended, they are hard to beat. I'd love to have one of the skiffs just to get on the water when I can without too much investment. VERY seaworthy for their size too. Not for everyone but you really need to ride in one a little before passing judgement.

Based on floor space (you can not compare them ft to ft with other boats), I'd take a panga over any conventional hull even if I had to pay MORE for the panga. You'd have toi fish in one for awhile to understand my sentiment.
 

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Quote from a guy that visited the panga factory "They will ship to Laredo for a fee. You have to pay a broker a fee, Mexico and USA taxes and you must have a trailer ready for the boat. I know that some of you will probaby want to know what the prices are. The W25 is $3,645, with floor it is $4,280. The W26 is $4,172, with floor and console it is $5,800."

5,800 for a 26' boat is a steal! 4K for a trailer and 20K for motor = 30K for 26' of a great fishing is hard to beat. My next boat will be a panga thats hecho en Mexico. Jason Slocum
How much to rig it?
How much get it on the trailer?
How's the warranty?
Who does the motor rigging? Who warranties it?
Fish boxes? Live wells? Foam flotation? Workmanship?
How easy is it to deal with a foreign broker? How do you find them?
Who services the boat after the sale?
Who's going to finance or insure it?
Finance the motor, the trailer, the hull, the rigging seperately?
Sounds good on paper but is it really?

I just can't see why anyone would want to spend $30k on an imported project when they could back their truck up to an American made 26 foot panga for $32k?

That's not a stripped shell, that's a fully water ready new 26 foot hull with a much sharper entry and better ride in our offshore chop, new 225 OB, new tandem trailer, life time warranty, American made, etc. etc..
 

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I have a 22 ft '07 Marquesas w/90 Johnson Saltwater Series. I can get 37 mph WOT @ 5000 rpm's. It's very stripped down, no liner, self bailing, w/rolled gunnel which helps to make it very dry. About the only thing I've added besides electronics, are many rod holders :). I've been in a lot rougher water than I should have been (a few days after Dolly out of Port A), and it performed amazingly, in large seas. It's about as good a compromise as I know of, for a shallow boat with capability of going offshore. Fuel eficency is great, & it trailers well. I did a lot of research before I bought this one, & like Capt Sandifer, I expect this will be the last boat I will own.
 
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