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XM-8 Is Gun of the Future.

U.S. soldiers have been waiting for a long time for weapons to replace current ones that rely on Vietnam-era technology. And the new weapons are right around the corner.
One of these weapons is the XM-8 (search), a rifle with chameleon-like qualities that allows soldiers to interchange parts, outfitting it for urban warfare or long-range sniping. Military and civilian weapons experts are still working out the kinks in the XM-8, which will replace the M-16.

"The ability to reconfigure the weapon to the mission was very, very important. ... It grew out of soldiers telling us they need these kinds of capabilities," said Col. Michael J. Smith, project manager for Soldier Weapons.

The XM-8 is designed to be lighter and more user-friendly than current weapons. It is part of a new family of weapons, including machine-gun type weapons like the XM-307 and XM-312 that are lethal at more than a mile away.

In addition to being lighter, the new technology in the XM-8 makes hitting targets extremely easy. The rifle could be in soldiers' hands as early as next summer.

Tuesday, August 10, 2004
 

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Rumour has it that the xm-8 is a total POS. High failure rates, flimsy parts, etc. But the worst part of it is its made by H&K. Now I love H&K pistols but c'mon fielding a weapon for our troops designed and built by the Germans? Didn't those crackpots start 2 world wars already? And we're going to rely on them for parts and upgrades down the line? Good thinking there fellas. Its politics and nothing else. The Marines just bought a huge batch of A4 variant m-16s, their new battle rifle. They want no part of the xm-8. BTW, the xm-8 is what's left of the new-fangled OICW weapon that was supposed to be "all that and a loaf of bread". Well, the OICW was a dissaster and if the rumours are true, they still don't have a decent weapon even after removing the "smart" grenade launcher.
 

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Well Heckler & Koch just opened a new factory on Columbus,Georgia. So the overseas bit you speak of is irrelevant.

As for it being a piece of junk, I have no idea.

But if the military does make the change. I look forward to the CMP offering M16's to civilians at a discount price. :smile:
 

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Well Heckler & Koch just opened a new factory on Columbus,Georgia. So the overseas bit you speak of is irrelevant.

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Not if the profits flow back to the "fatherland". **** Nazis
 

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Not if the profits flow back to the "fatherland". **** Nazis
In the economic environment of today. Companies are global. The profits go to the investors of the company. As in, you could by stock in H&K and the profits would go to you an American citizen, not the fatherland as you called it.

Futhermore, if it's built here. Then American jobs are created. Which is something we need. So I don't see the problem.
 

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Well Heckler & Koch just opened a new factory on Columbus,Georgia. So the overseas bit you speak of is irrelevant.

As for it being a piece of junk, I have no idea.

But if the military does make the change. I look forward to the CMP offering M16's to civilians at a discount price. :smile:
They won't offer the 16's to civilians, they'll scrap them first.
 

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But if the military does make the change. I look forward to the CMP offering M16's to civilians at a discount price. :smile:
yeah, right. That will never happen. All you'll get is a de-milled version of the M16.
 

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Not if the profits flow back to the "fatherland". **** Nazis
Didn't the world wars end several years ago? I'm not up on my current history, but I don't think Germany is under **** rule anymore. Sure sounds like a comment I'd see on the *** board.
 

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Didn't the world wars end several years ago? I'm not up on my current history, but I don't think Germany is under **** rule anymore. Sure sounds like a comment I'd see on the *** board.
Yeah, they're great friends to us. They are being so helpfull with our current problems. I rank them right up there with the French and I **** on 'em.
 

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In the economic environment of today. Companies are global. The profits go to the investors of the company. As in, you could by stock in H&K and the profits would go to you an American citizenQUOTE]

You assume financial theory works in the real world. Company profits are utilized by the company in several ways...cash reserves, dividends, capital reinvestment. It is entirely up to the company as to whether or not you the investor sees any gains from this. Companies mismange cash all the time. The "goal" of the firm so to speak is to maximize sharholder value. In real life this is not always the case. Futhermore, your assumption of profits to an american are subject to stable exchabge rates.
 

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yeah, right. That will never happen. All you'll get is a de-milled version of the M16.
Ahh but there is where you're wrong. The only difference between a M16 and a AR15 is the bolt and trigger group. And you can actually put a M16 bolt in a AR15 and still be legal. So with a quick change of a trigger group. They become legal to own semi-automatic rifles.
 

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I did a little searching on German/US relations and found that not only are we the principal exporter to Germany, but most of Germany's international investments are in the US. I guess that's pertinent because even though those "**** Nazis" aren't helping on the war front, they are creating jobs for our citizens over here.
 

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Ahh but there is where you're wrong. The only difference between a M16 and a AR15 is the bolt and trigger group. And you can actually put a M16 bolt in a AR15 and still be legal. So with a quick change of a trigger group. They become legal to own semi-automatic rifles.
I know what you are saying, but when changing the bolt (legal), and trigger group (illegal), a civilian AR15 will require some additional modification. After that, the selctor switch will leave tell-tale signs that there is a "full auto" position available on the rifle. I'm sure Gundoctor can expound on this with his knowledge.
 

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Well, didn't Japan start WWII with the USA? Isn't Pearl Harbor the straw that broke the camel's back? And look at them now. They may not have won the war, but they sure get in our pocket books at the retail stores and car lots.


Seems to me that We've become entirely too dependant on foreign products. Don't the Germans now own Chrysler? We export Crude oil from Alaska to Japan instead of using it for our own use. Then import crude from South America. Why are our products so costly, yet the same can be made so much cheaper else where? Thank You Teamsters and other such Unions. We've priced ourselves out of our own markets.
 

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The majority of evry major country's international investments are in the U.S. We, the U.S. taxpayer has been guaranteeing their safety for several generations via our large bases in their country which provides jobs for entire town populations in their country, so that BS won't fly. They are socialists, read your history, past and modern. Socialized medicine ring a bell? Or did you want Hillary Klinton to be your next president?
 

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speckle-catcher said:
I know what you are saying, but when changing the bolt (legal), and trigger group (illegal), a civilian AR15 will require some additional modification. After that, the selctor switch will leave tell-tale signs that there is a "full auto" position available on the rifle. I'm sure Gundoctor can expound on this with his knowledge.
As the frame was designed as a full auto weapon all will be class 3 weapons and illegal on the civilian market.
Look, rock and roll is fun, but not very useful in the civilian world. The reality is that after the third shot on full auto you'll be off the target, so why bother unless you want to clear a room.

"One shot. One kill."
 

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right snagged - but they "de-mil" the recievers and they can be purchased on the open market. I don't know if you can still buy a de-milled reciever. All they do to di mill them is partially destroy the reciever so it can't be attached to another barrel. You can still remove the trigger assembly from your de-milled reciever and with some "creative machining", install it on your AR15. And that's all I'll say about that. ;)
 

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speckle-catcher said:
I know what you are saying, but when changing the bolt (legal), and trigger group (illegal), a civilian AR15 will require some additional modification. After that, the selctor switch will leave tell-tale signs that there is a "full auto" position available on the rifle. I'm sure Gundoctor can expound on this with his knowledge.
Well these modifications you speak of. Are legal to do right now, as long as the semi trigger group stays unaltered.

Seeing how the AR15 is the most used weapon in civilian competition matches today. It is just a logical step. But in our illogical government. You could be right that "it will never happen".
 

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Well these modifications you speak of. Are legal to do right now, as long as the semi trigger group stays unaltered.

Seeing how the AR15 is the most used weapon in civilian competition matches today. It is just a logical step. But in our illogical government. You could be right that "it will never happen".
I'd hate to see you get in trouble DISSipator. BUT HERE ARE THE RULES THAT WERE IN PLACE WHEN I GOT OUT OF THE BUSINESS. Since I let my FFL go, I'm not on the BATF's mailing list any more, but I doubt they have relaxed any of their rules.
1. If it was ever a machine gun, it always will be a machine gun. No matter what you do to it. The only way to legally destroy a machine gun receiver is to completely melt it. All civilian held machine gun receivers are required to be registered with the federal government. On the AR15/M16, what the government considers to be the receiver, is called the lower receiver in the parts list. Lower receivers are different between the semi and full auto guns. The upper receiver is the same on both guns. Upper receivers aren't tracked by the government.
2. Installing a bolt carrier from a M16, or a AR15 bolt carrier modified to M16 configuration, in a AR 15 receiver makes it a machine gun. There are a couple more M16 lower receiver parts that will get you in trouble also but I don't remember all of them.
3. Demil machine gun receivers still have to have a transfer tax stamp and be registered with the BATF.

Some day there may be surplus M16 upper receivers and barrels on the market. Under current law and rules, there won't ever be any lower receivers for sale on the us market.
 

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The 2 parts that make an AR15 fully automatic (M16) are the disconnector and the hole that is drilled into the lower receiver to hold the disconnector. By having just the hole drilled constitutes a Class III firearm, just owning the disconnector DOES NOT. I'm sure they'll try so sell the complete weapon with out the lower receiver. That would leave the trigger group, complete upper assy., buttstock and grip. These weapons cannot be demilled. Only those with Class III firearms licenses will be able to purchase the lower receiver, thats provided they release them to the public. We're along ways from that happening. More than likely, they'll be left in Iraq or sold to another 3rd world country to be used against us in the future.
 
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