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I checked this out by going to the link included. It's for real. When I was at the newspaper's site where there is a "search" for the paper and typed in "lionfish" and found there are several stories about this.

Mission Studying Lionfish Off N.C. Coast

The Associated Press
Thursday, August 19, 2004; 7:55 PM
WILMINGTON, N.C. - When divers first reported lionfish off the
North Carolina coast four years ago, biologist Paula Whitfield
thought it must be a mistake or an aberration. The poisonous,
carnivorous Indo-Pacific lionfish is native to tropical waters
half a world away - not the seas off the Outer Banks.

An ongoing study has shown Whitfield that things are worse than
she could have imagined. The fish is not only present but
thriving, and could threaten important commercial fish species
such as snapper, grouper and sea bass.

"They're everywhere," she said Tuesday as divers brought another
two lionfish aboard the University of North Carolina at
Wilmington research vessel Cape Fear.

Whitfield, a fisheries biologist with the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration, is leading a team that has been
diving about 50 miles southeast of Wrightsville Beach.

The expedition, sponsored by NOAA's Undersea Research Center at
UNC-Wilmington, is meant to see how extensive the invasion by
the lionfish is and what effect it might be having on native
species.

Whitfield said researchers were hoping to find 30 specimens, but
have already hauled up nearly 80 with a week of dives still to
go.

The disheartening results could mean dropping efforts to
eradicate the fish and instead developing a plan to manage them.

"It wouldn't be bad if we were just finding adults," research
center science director Tom Potts said. "But now we're finding
juveniles and pregnant females as well."

The fish is the top predator in its native Indian and South
Pacific ocean habitats - a role filled by the grouper and
snapper in local waters. It has no known natural enemies.

A worrisome note is that the reefs and hard-bottom areas it
favors locally are also the nursery grounds for important
commercial and sport fish, such as snapper and grouper.

"We now know they're eating fish, not crustaceans or other
shellfish," Whitfield said aboard UNC-W's research vessel Cape
Fear, as NOAA research technician Christine Addison removed a
small jar from a cooler containing three young sea bass found in
a lionfish's stomach.

Little is known about the lionfish's breeding pattern, but
scientists believe it can spawn several times a season.

Addison, holding a full ovary from a fish she was dissecting,
said each female can release between 5,000 and 20,000 eggs each
spawning.

The way the eggs are dispersed could explain the lionfish's
rapid colonization of reefs and hard-bottom areas between
Florida and Long Island, N.Y., she said.

They are buoyant, and could ride the warm waters of the Gulf
Stream all along the Atlantic seaboard - one way lionfish or
their eggs might have migrated up the coast from Florida, where
many researchers think the first aquarium releases occurred.

"This fish seems to have everything going for it," she said with
a wry smile.

Whitfield said lionfish have been found only in areas of warm
water, with temperatures from the mid-60s or higher, in depths
ranging from roughly 120 feet to an estimated 260 feet.

"That means they probably won't get any closer than maybe 25
miles offshore," she said.

But that leaves a huge swath of ocean for the lionfish to
colonize.

"We've found them at 10 of the 12 places we've dived at, and in
large numbers," Whitfield said.

Researchers plan to conduct more dives this winter to see how
the lionfish manage off the Cape Fear coast as water
temperatures drop. Whitfield also said she hopes to do some fish
tagging and additional census data to gauge the newcomer's
density and geographic range.

But she said she can already draw one conclusion without any
additional research.

"I think they're here to stay," she said. "Unfortunately, that's
something we can now say pretty confidently."

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Information from: The Star-News,http://starnewsonline.com

 

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Interesting...

AJ,

Great post, but forget the part about them not having any natural enemies. The are very slow swimming fish and despite their spines and toxins, I'm sure that sharks and morays would have a field day with them. I used to keep saltwater fish and lost some large lionfish to much smaller morays. You really wouldn't believe it to be physically possible for the smaller fish to do that (kinda like a snake eating an egg).
 

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Fascinating RustyBrown!
When I was searching out further reports on the Lionfish at the newspaper it mentioned somewhere that unlike "acquarium size" these are very large.

Could you tell us more about the Lionfish?
 

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When I kept salt water fish I had one tank that housed only a snowflake moray and a lionfish.

They are voracious eaters. It was allways cool to drop a gold fish in there and watch them get munched. I can't fathom them being off the Carolinas at all. It would seem to me the water would get way to cold during the winter. If they were going to appear anywhere I'd of thought it would be the Keys, Bahams, Tortugas, etc. I can't even fathom how they got there in the first place as its such a long way from their native waters.

There are several species of lionfish so its allways possible that what they are calling a lionfish isn't the one pictured here that I think of? Would love to see some photos of the ones they are finding.

I'd agree, there would be fish that would eat them. Bigger morays, sharks, probably big grouper, and of course 'cuddas. Then again, once they got a load of them venomous spines they might think twice.

Earl

Aunt Joyce said:
Fascinating RustyBrown!
When I was searching out further reports on the Lionfish at the newspaper it mentioned somewhere that unlike "acquarium size" these are very large.

Could you tell us more about the Lionfish?
 

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BUT, EARL ....
Supposing the ones off the Carolinas coast originated from someone(s) in the Carolinas releasing their acquarium Lionfish in waters near or on the coast?
Different environment and food could cause genetic changes.
What do you think?
 

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I had thought about that being a possibility. Someone woulda had to gone to a lot of trouble to do that though. Also typically you have one lionfish not two...and for whatever reason fish don't usually get pregnant in a salt water aquarium.

Sure could have happened though. That is how those wolffish or whatever those Chinese ugly fish are called in Freshwater that eat everything under the son are called. Sold as a live delicacy, they often get dumped into local ponds and rivers.

And there have been more than a few pirhana caught here in Texas in our lakes and rivers. People just don't seem to care what they do to their ecosystems as long as they aren't in their homes anymore. :(

Earl

Aunt Joyce said:
BUT, EARL ....
Supposing the ones off the Carolinas coast originated from someone(s) in the Carolinas releasing their acquarium Lionfish in waters near or on the coast?
Different environment and food could cause genetic changes.
What do you think?
 

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That IS interesting Earl ...

And it lends itself to some humorous possibilities (if you'll just forgive my attempt at humor)

Earl said:
I had thought about that being a possibility. Someone woulda had to gone to a lot of trouble to do that though.
Yeah, but! How about artificial insemination?

Sure could have happened though. That is how those wolffish or whatever those Chinese ugly fish are called.
Yeah, but! What the heck are they called?
And there have been more than a few pirhana caught here in Texas in our lakes and rivers.
New York City has been fighting "dumped" Pirhana for years & years
People just don't seem to care what they do to their ecosystems ...
I know better than to think you just found this out!
Earl
So if you'd like to check out the authenticity of Lionfish being of the coast of the USA, check these sites out:
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The Charlotte Observer
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/3187145.htm?1c
Posted on Fri, May. 03, 2002

Lionfish sighted in N.C. waters
GARETH MCGRATHYOLOGY
from the
Morning Star, Wilmington
WILMINGTON - "They come to coastal North Carolina from faraway warmer climates, and despite their beauty, they can be a real pain."
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ICHTHYOLOGY
at the Florida Museum of Natural History
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/InNews/lionfish2004.htm
AP February 5, 2004
WILMINGTON, N.C. - Researchers based here have caught a lionfish off the North Carolina coast, an unusual grab in the winter considering the poisonous tropical fish is native to warmer oceans.

A diver Wednesday caught the 8-inch-long, bright orange-colored fish while performing routine work on some buoys owned by the University of North Carolina at Wilmington about 35 miles off the Atlantic coast.

"He didn't know what they had until they brought him in," Mimi Cunningham, a UNC-Wilmington spokeswoman, said Thursday. The fish was brought Thursday to UNC-Wilmington's Center for Marine Service for closer examination, she said.

Lionfish sightings have been reported near North Carolina's continental shelf over the past few years.

The lionfish is usually found in the warm Pacific and Indian oceans, and it's unclear how it reached the Altantic.
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http://www.outdoorcentral.com/mc/pr/04/06/28a8a.asp
Includes: “...the lionfish is a recent "invasive," or "exotic" species along the east coast of the United States. In August of 2000, divers spotted a lionfish off the coast of North Carolina. After this initial sighting, reports have appeared from Long Island, New York, to southern Florida, including off South Carolina...”

If you’d like to see the many sites that deal with the Lionfish off the Southeaster coast of the USA go to GOOGLE and type in: “Lionfish Carolina’s coastal waters”
OR this URL may take you there:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859 1&q=Lionfish+Carolina%27s+coastal+waters&btnG=Search
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So...What do you think?
 

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I wouldn't worry about them too much. Sure they will eat some juvenile snapper but we loose more to faulty BRDs (or none at all) in trawlers than we ever will to lionfish. Plus a snapper or grouper will quickly grow to a size that is not eatible by the relatively small lionfish.

Still is stranger than all get out that they made it here though. That is one long swim for such a small fish and it most definitely is cooler water in the winter than they are used to.

I'm sure we'll have them at the Flower Gardens and Stetson rock one day too. The water there will be much warmer in winter than off the Carolinas.

Earl
 
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