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Well, sold on the hope that the moss-green line MAY scare away the flatty's and my refusal to go back to mono, I am now faced with 2 extra knots and 2 line changes from the reel to the terminal end. Is this right?

I will have my 30lb braid from the reel
Knotted to ~7 feet of fluoro (prevent line scare)
Knotted to 24" of fluoro shock leader/terminal end

Assuming the braid to fluoro length is ~7 feet, doesn't the knot hang up any going through the guides?

For this old bass fisher, too many knots = lost fish.

Is this right?
 

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First of all, I have just gone to using the surgeons knot to attach a flouro leader and it does do a little ticking on the eyes on the way out but doesn't seem to disrupt things too much. Just trim those tag ends down and it's no prob. Secondly, why two different strands of flouro? Why not just one change? How do you like the braid? are you backing it with mono? Many moons ago I tried braid and had problems with it digging in on itself when under pressure.

I know there's some guys out there that can help on this, a lot better than I can.
 

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8/30 PowerPro to 30"' P-Line 20# or 25# Fluoro leader. Doesn't seem to scare the flounder where I fish. I use a uni-uni to join the two. 5 wraps on the fluoro and 7 wraps with the PowerPro. More knots does equal more opportunities for failure.
 

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I use pretty much the same set up, but I double the braid when tying the uni-uni to keep the knot more unifrom in diameter

sandman said:
8/30 PowerPro to 30"' P-Line 20# or 25# Fluoro leader. Doesn't seem to scare the flounder where I fish. I use a uni-uni to join the two. 5 wraps on the fluoro and 7 wraps with the PowerPro. More knots does equal more opportunities for failure.
 

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With the uni knot and about 6 ft of leader (p-Line 20) the knot seems to go thru the guides a lot smoother than a surgeons or double surgeons knot or only 2 ft of leader.

Besides why use two different types of line to the braided? Just use 6 or 7 ft of leader and keep cutting back as you retie the line till it gets too short.
 

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Cfred,


I have been using the braid all this year. The sensitivity, low stretch and action is great. I do back it with mono. Using the P-Line I have had NO problems with digging in the spool; However, I notice that the line on the spook compacts a hair after use (I had it full, not it is a hair under what I normally spool to). Based on the responses, it looks like I'll just have one transition to 25# fluoro. I was thinking of two transitions due to my terminal flounder rig is:

weight, bead, snap --- swivel, leader, hook

This makes it easy for me to swap out between bottom rigging and other rigs plus if I break off, it's usually the leader section and I can re-snap a new leader without retying the whole thing. Besides, I don't have to carry as many weights this way.
 

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I tend to agree with Redfisher. I've been catching flounder for over a half a century and The last way I'd describe them is line/leader shy. They will tolerate the worst water conditions; color, salinity, chop and the wind has to be pretty rough to turn 'em off when they are hungry. They will hit a wider variety of baits/lures than just about any other fish. I've caught 'em on old funky squid all the way up to the latest so-called high tech flounder lures. The aren't araid of ANY thing. I think of them as TSTBA (too stupid to be afraid) If you find a depression in the bottom and catch a flounder from it. Keep casting until you don't catch one. If there are 6 flounder in there you can catch every last one of them. When you catch one the other's won't swim away. If you hook one and miss it, throw right back where you lost him at and more often than not you will catch him. They aren't disturbed by thrashing and splasing of lures/baits either. They appear to be about the dumbes fish that swims. If you find 'em the rest is about a gimme.

For the last few years I've been floundering with several folks in here that are EXPERT flounder fisherpersons, way and gone better than me on my best day, and they ALL use mono. The plain and simple truth is that a flounder doesn't know or care what you fish with. He just wants a slab of meat or something to chase. Some baits lures will work better than others but I maintain that finding them is 98 % of the battle. Landing them can be tricky but getting them to bite is a no-brainer if you can get your rig in front of 'em.
 

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I've been using 20 lb(6lb diameter) P-line braid for a few years. I put a 2'-5' 20 lb flourocarbon leader tied with a double or triple surgeons knot. Slides thru the eyes good, but I don't like the leader to be so long that it gets into my reel. Keep it shorter than what you reel onto your spool. I fish for trout mostly, but will use the same set-up for reds and flounder.
 

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if connecting two pieces of line (w/out a swivel), do you do a second uni knot with the other piece of line and run it thru where the eye of the hook is in this cartoon?

thanks,

michelle
 

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Leaders for flounder: there are two schools of thought here. The expert fishermen that don't use a leader that I know all fish with live bait exclusively. They tie a #10 (smallest) trebel hook right on the end of the line and hook the mudfish, mullet, or shrimp on one of the barbs. This gives the bait the maximum ability to move about and attract mister flatfish. The object is for the flounder to SWALLOW the bait hook and all. This way you need not worry about the fish getting off the hook. Of course, there will be times when the fish will hang a tooth on your live and cut you off but if you keep the perssure on him and keep him coming your way, most of the time you will land him. When you get him to the net/striger/do-net just cut the line and tie on a new hook. once you get uset to it you can do all this faster that removing a hook and rebaiting. Surprisingly enough, it has been my experience that you will loose, in the long run, fewer fish than you will trying to set a hook in a flounders mouth. If the fish is not a keeper, reports have it that the swallowed hook will not harm the fish. I don't know about that but I do know that this is a highly successful method of flounder fishing.

When using a leader please bear one thing in mind. This is a BITE leader not a shock leader. It need not be over 6 to 8 inches long. If you are using live bait I recommend P-Line flourocarbon because it is lighter than steel and allows more of a natural movement of the bait, but if you want a guarantee against bite-offs then I'd use the 20lb black plastic coated leader material. The purpose that a leader serves in flounder fishing is to protect your line against that monster that inhales you bait and actually has the hook so deep that he can close his mouth on the line and to keep a particularly fiesty flatty from hangin' a tooth on your line during the fight.

These are just a few observations I've made over the years.
 

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Some enjoy complicated matters,even when fishing
--lead head
--shad tail (chartreuse)
--tie to line (mono)
--catch flounder
easy
 

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WJ is correct, flounder ain't too picky nor too bright. It was my experience that mono had too much stretch and when combined with trout rods, I lost a lot of fish just out of reach of the net. After many years of practice and too many lost flounder, I have landed on what I feel is the best combo for me. Nice, fairly stiff rod (FlounderStix) with no-stretch braid. Not worried about them seeing the leader, it's just that the Fluoro leader resists cuts even better than the braid. The Fluoro leader will last through more than a couple of limits of fish before you have to re-tie your tout. Since going this route, I have not had a fish drop off.
 
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