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Very, very screwy article. Just a reminder to be careful out there.


After confronting a group of bear hunters over trespassing, a Red Lion man was shot and killed, and another man was wounded Tuesday in Jefferson County.
Frank N. Shaffer, 63, was upset that a group of local hunters wandered onto his family's property in Beaver Township, said Trooper Bruce Morris.

The argument escalated into gunfire, which led to Shaffer's death, and Paul H. Plyler, 23, of Summerville, getting shot once and ending up in the hospital, according to police.

Investigators are sorting through who fired first and the events which led up the shootout, Morris said. Once complete, the investigation will be turned over to the Jefferson County District Attorney's Office, which will determine whether to file charges.

"He (Shaffer) was apparently upset because they came onto this property, and things escalated into the OK Corral," Morris said.

Investigators believe at least four shots were fired between Shaffer and Plyler.

The shooting took place on Patton Road (Route 331) in a very remote part of southeastern Jefferson County. The rolling farmland and woods are sparsely populated but known as a popular hunting area for deer, bear and other wildlife. The shooting occurred about 15 miles from Punxsutawney and about 60 miles northeast of Pittsburgh.

A person who answered Shaffer's home phone in Red Lion declined comment before hanging up.

Shaffer, a real estate appraiser, was involved in a previous exchange involving a firearm.

He was charged with simple assault, disorderly conduct, harassment and reckless endangerment after an Aug. 24, 2006, exchange with a truck driver on Interstate 83.

The trucker, William Coates, pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct, but the charges were dropped against Shaffer when Coates failed to show up at a preliminary hearing.

Shaffer and Coates each claimed to state police that the other cut him off, according to court records. Shaffer pulled off the highway to check for damages after alleging Coates threw stones at his car. While there, Shaffer claimed he had to pull a gun on Coates, who was swearing and threatening to kill him.

Shaffer sued York County and then-Sheriff Bill Hose in federal court, alleging Hose refused to reinstate his firearms permit, saying, "I find that you are not the type of individual who should be permitted to have a firearms license," according to the suit. The case is pending.

On Dec. 28, 2008, York County Judge Richard Renn ordered Hose to return the permit.

Hose eventually issued a new permit which stamped over Shaffer's picture "Returned by Order of the Court." Shaffer in the federal lawsuit alleges Hose denied his Second Amendment right to bear arms.

Shaffer's death came on the second day of a three-day bear hunting season.

In his 10-year experience at the Pennsylvania Game Commission, agency spokesman Jerry Feaser said, he has never heard of a property owner having a shootout with another hunter over trespassing.

Feaser said the death is tragic and the allegations are unfortunate. As deer season quickly approaches, Feaser said hunters and land owners should take heed to what happened.

"We tell everyone that a hunting license is not a license to trespass. You need to gain the landowner's permission before going afield, and don't wait until the day before the season to start seeking permission.

"If you do not have permission of the landowner, do not enter the property. Be respectful of the landowner," Feaser said.
 

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Sounds like he was a hothead that believed he was above the law, walk away and call authorities, would have saved his life. rs
 

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Sounds like he was a hothead that believed he was above the law, walk away and call authorities, would have saved his life. rs
I couldnt agree with you more Rusty. You never know who your dealing with and if you pull a gun you darn well not hesitate using it.
Still a sad story....
 

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Man what is wrong with people. Life is hard enough and then you get people like this killing each other over stupid things!
 

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Just another little ***** in the 2nd amendment armor that allows the anti gun nuts to jam in a screw driver and pry.
 

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Let me see if I have this right. Shaffer confronted poachers on his family's property and was subsequently shot and killed and he's a hothead? Gotcha...
 

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Kinda of how I was looking at it Cartman.
Now it does sound like Shaffer had some issues, but he was on his property confronting poachers and trespassers.

I do not take kindly to people trespassing/poaching on our Ranch.
It could get ugly if any of us(ranchers/landowners in Texas) caught people on our land and they brandished a gun.
 

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Did ya'll read where he got in a confrontation with a truck driver in 2006 and brandished a gun, sounds like a pattern, true he caught the guy trespassing on his land---how is that working for him today? rs
 

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I don't know the particulars of this, who shot first second or third but I do know this.

If you pull a gun on someone for being on your property or for any reason at all you better be ready to use it to kill the person you're dealing with because that person you throw down on might not have any problems at all with killing you.

There are people among us who have had to kill and who have been shot at before who might react as they were trained to do.

Sad situation that could have been avoided that's for sure.

TH
 

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Hot head or not .......I beleieve he was within his right to protect his property.......

TS
 
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