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I like the part where the driver is in Houston adn drives the ice to Seguin to dump it rather then drive the Galveston I'm totally lost at this point and to think 125 trucks @ 40Klbs of ice.

Sorry for all the rants today but I'm in the Centerpoint 25% club and just about fed up with everything
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SEGUIN -- Thousands of pallets of ice, originally dispatched for areas ravaged by Hurricane Ike, melted in the sun today on a runway at Randolph Auxiliary Air Field here, with more trucks lining up to unload more ice.
But it's not indicative of poor planning by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, a spokesman said. In fact, it's just the opposite, evidence that FEMA was well prepared for Ike.

"That ice is surplus ice from the original requests from state, county and local authorities before the scope of the hurricane was known," said FEMA spokesman Richard Scorza. "We try to anticipate the needs for various commodities. The good news is it addressed the immediate needs of the population and there are no shortages."

Scorza said FEMA officials made aggressive efforts to place the surplus ice with other organizations, from churches to fish markets, but had only two takers, a church in Webster and an organization in Kentucky.

He said the agency decided to unload the ice and let it melt because it would be more expensive to keep it frozen indefinitely to fill some unknown future need. Scorza did not know how many trucks or how much ice was headed for Seguin, but said if any areas on the coast needed more ice, FEMA could supply it immediately.

"Our indications are that the ice they have on hand is sufficient for their needs," he said of coastal cities. "Better to have too much than not enough. This is a product of prudent planning. You don't want to be in a position where you underestimated your need."

The pallets of ice covered hundreds of square yards, and a continuous line of trucks were arriving at midday to unload more.

FEMA officials and security personnel at the airfield, an annex of San Antonio's Randolph AFB, refused to allow reporters onto the property, and initially objected to a reporter standing on a public road near the fence to try to interview truckers inside the fence.

When some truckers consented to an interview, a man wearing a FEMA shirt arrived on a golf cart within moments and threatened to have the truckers fired.

"This conversation is over," he told the truckers. "Or you guys will not be here any longer."

A security guard at the gate said the truckers had all signed an agreement not to speak to news media.

One trucker, contacted by phone, agreed to speak if his name was not published.

He said he picked up his 40,000-pound load of ice in Maryland last Wednesday and arrived in Houston near midnight Saturday, where he sat until he was sent to Seguin today to have the ice unloaded.

He said he was frustrated and upset at the turn of events, estimating the cost of the ice and his trip to be at least $12,000. He said he had seen at least 125 other trucks at the facility unloading.
 

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The ice wasn't needed and I don't want my tax dollars to store it and pay the truckers. I've spent every day in Galveston Co since the storm, there's ice on nearly every corner for the picking.


Personally I'm glad they had too much. I do understand your frustration though.-Tom
 

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I know coordinating things in a hurry is not easy, I dispatch trucks for a living, but there is way too much money being wasted that could be helping the people that need it. Heads should roll for, and pardon my french, "screwups" like this! It makes me sick to think about how many more mistakes like this are made and we never hear about them-I THOUGHT FEMA LEARNED SOMETHING FROM KATRINA AND RITA--I guess not.
 

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No, a hooker on every corner, ice every other.

There is ice everywhere in Galveston. If you need it, its a short walk away.

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I bet they could've used in Galveston. Is there ice on every corner there?
 

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Ive been loading trucks for 30 years, an average of 1600 per year, and this stmt from the driver is 99% hogwash:
One trucker, contacted by phone, agreed to speak if his name was not published.

He said he picked up his 40,000-pound load of ice in Maryland last Wednesday and arrived in Houston near midnight Saturday, where he sat until he was sent to Seguin today to have the ice unloaded.

He said he was frustrated and upset at the turn of events, estimating the cost of the ice and his trip to be at least $12,000. He said he had seen at least 125 other trucks at the facility unloading.
Those carriers are getting paid top dollar and paid for storage and stand-by time. No way some driver was "frustrated and upset". That's a made-up BS story and I can smell it from 350 miles away.

As for the OP, its better to have a few loads left over than to be short. Im sure there are lots of ways to improve the system, but its impossible to guesstimate EXACTLY how many loads are gonna be necessary.

Also, 125 loads of ice would cover ~ 50,000 sq feet. So take the "125" with a grain of salt.
 

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Pattillo said:
No, a hooker on every corner, ice every other.
:rotfl:

There is ice everywhere in Galveston. If you need it, its a short walk away.
I figured since there was the big influx of people today, alot of them without power, ice would be in big demand, but that's what I get for thinkin' again... :D :cheers:
 

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My question is why wouldn't he have 80,000lbs of ice on the truck? $12,000 is a lot of runs. Not just a Maryland to Houston with 40,000lbs. Good catch D2.
 

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If anyone saw the San Antonio News it might have been 50,000 sf of ice!
SPI-FlatsCatter said:
Ive been loading trucks for 30 years, an average of 1600 per year, and this stmt from the driver is 99% hogwash:

Those carriers are getting paid top dollar and paid for storage and stand-by time. No way some driver was "frustrated and upset". That's a made-up BS story and I can smell it from 350 miles away.

As for the OP, its better to have a few loads left over than to be short. Im sure there are lots of ways to improve the system, but its impossible to guesstimate EXACTLY how many loads are gonna be necessary.

Also, 125 loads of ice would cover ~ 50,000 sq feet. So take the "125" with a grain of salt.
 

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I say put it in the Ocean and cool that water below hurricane building potential. That is enough for a while.
 

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Been in Bridge City for a week, no shortage of ANYTHING! (except housing), a lot better than Rita, suck it up and git er done. Me and my 84 year old Dad have the house ready for sheetrock and flooring, we didnt wait for the "guvment". You want the rest of the story? PM me.
 

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It woldn't take much coordination to drive into Galveston county, stop the truckis and open the doors.
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I know coordinating things in a hurry is not easy, I dispatch trucks for a living, but there is way too much money being wasted that could be helping the people that need it. Heads should roll for, and pardon my french, "screwups" like this! It makes me sick to think about how many more mistakes like this are made and we never hear about them-I THOUGHT FEMA LEARNED SOMETHING FROM KATRINA AND RITA--I guess not.
 

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i should know better as i will get some red ? but maybe fuel trucks to go and just spray down galveston and set on fire , and torch the place and start over may be a tax saver ??? ice will not help !!!!!
 

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i should know better as i will get some red ? but maybe fuel trucks to go and just spray down galveston and set on fire , and torch the place and start over may be a tax saver ??? ice will not help !!!!!
Nice. Your compassion shines through like a lighthouse beacon to a lost mariner.

Yes, you really should know better.

Have a nice day
 

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Why did they have to drive it to Seguin to unload to melt? Seems like an incredible waste of diesel. Can understand having tons of extra ice, but wasting all that diesel to truck it somewhere just to let it melt. I don't get it.
 

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Why did they have to drive it to Seguin?

I think the key is that they are letting it melt in a "secure area". Out of eyesight of the media and general public-although it sounds like the "cat is out of the bag".

I think the wise thing to do would have been to go to a high school athletic complex parking lot and dump out the ice - it would be melted by any game time this coming week-end AND saved alot of fuel and expense.

Just my dos centavos.

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Why did they have to drive it to Seguin to unload to melt? Seems like an incredible waste of diesel. Can understand having tons of extra ice, but wasting all that diesel to truck it somewhere just to let it melt. I don't get it.
Its the frikkin FEMA government waisting money AGAIN
 

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My question is why wouldn't he have 80,000lbs of ice on the truck? $12,000 is a lot of runs. Not just a Maryland to Houston with 40,000lbs. Good catch D2.
80,00lbs is the gross weight limit. most tractor-trailer rigs w/refrig trailer tare(emty wt) at 35,000lbs. then you have more restrictive axle wt limits in different states, and bridge wt (distance between tractor and trailer wheels) limits in the mix also. anyway, 35,000lb rig w/40,000lb load=75,000lbs.
 

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yep and if FEMA would not have had enough ice everyone would be complaining about that too , so suckem up boys and quit whinning unless you want to pay for the fuel to keep it frozen
 
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