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From John Humbert
Cordell Redfin
The Cotton Cordell Redfin was THE big fish bait for many, many years. In fact, before Wallace's fish was caught on a Corky, I believe the past 3 state record trout were caught on Redfin broken-backs.

30 years ago, it was also popular to use them with a trailer bucktail/hook - but I don't anybody that still does that anymore.

The redfin lost popularity, along with many hard baits, when soft plastics hit the scene. They experienced a resurgance when topwaters were "rediscovered" by a new generation of anglers.

The Redfin has a drawback though - it's light weight-to-size ratio can make it hard to throw sometimes, especially for the smaller sizes. This is why most anglers that still use them throw the BIG size.

Storm entered the jerkbait scene years ago with the Thunderstik and Jointed Thunderstik. The Thunderstik was much heavier for the same size, although in the water it was "weightless" (it floated too!).

For me personally, I quickly found the Thunderstik out-performed the Redfin due to being able to be cast farther, cast into the wind, etc. and therefore I was able to cover more water in less time. I was able to use it in circumstances where the Redfin just could get to the fish as well.

The Thunderstik also came with Cadium saltwater hooks which lasted longer and were far superior to the light wire freshwater hooks on the Redfin (although you could alway replace them).

The standard way to fish both of them is typical for a jerkbait - jerk and pause and variation thereof. However, I also enjoyed retrieving a big jointed Thunderstill so that it ran just under the surfact, with the jointed tail actually making a wake on the surface (on calm days). This produced several large trout in Baffin on chilly days where they would not hit a topwater.

John Humbert on Cranks and Twitches
As you can tell by this thread, there are actually a lot of folks that use shallow cranks/twitch baits - Redfins have been used for 40 years! It was THE go-to bait for big trout down south years and years ago before soft plastics came on the scene.

I know of a handful of guys - some are tournament redfish pros - that use deep, deep diving crankbaits at the jetties with success. These are really bass lures, like the DB2 and such that dive 10-25'. In one case I believe a team actually won a tournament using 20-25' diving cranks.

I've tried those deep divers a few times at the jetties, but didn't have much luck. However, the shallow long "minnow" baits are a staple in my arsenal. I especially like the Rogue (series ARA 1200, specifically the ARA1269, Halloween black and orange with gold sides) for trout in clear water over potholes. The three hooks and the fact that you can keep it shallow with hanging grass really works! Don't use the suspending or larger Rogues because they come back covered in "salad" every time.

The larger jointed ThunderStik (do they make it anymore?) and Redfins are extremely good for large trout down south or in the spring in POC/Seadrift area. I use these baits on outside shorelines where the water is deeper. The Thunderstik is heavier and casts much better than the Redfin, which has a tendency to go astray casting into the wind.

A standard twitch-twitch-pause retrieve works best, but I have had times that slowly retrieving the TS and RF so that they are just under the surface but leaving a wake can be effective. Most of my strikes come on the pause - and most often they will SLAM it and try to jerk the rod outta your hands!

Some years ago I got turned onto the large MagDarter (thank you McTrout!). I got a couple in the blue/silver and used a sharpie to put dots on them (again, thank you McTrout!). When fishing Baffin, I always have that lure with me. If I get into dinks, I will throw that bait to pull out the big mommas feeding on the dinks - it works! Accounted for some of my biggest fish in Baffin/Mansfield (once again, thanks McTrout!). It's a beast of a lure that catches beasts of big trout.

Amen on the Storm Jointed Thunderstik!
That is my favorite broken back.

Broken backs are an "old" lure class that fell out of favor with newer anglers. Some old salts still use 'em - and they still produce quite well.

The knock on the broken backs (and IMO, the reason why they fell out of favor) is that most of them have a terrible weight-to-size ratio. They are light for their size. This makes them difficult to cast and reduces the length of casts. This is most definitely true for the old standby, the Cordell Redfin.

And, of course, when you reduce the water you can cover with a cast - you reduce your overall effectiveness.

However, the Storm Thunderstik is one of exceptions that rule...it has enough weight to pound out some hunkin' long casts and not sacrifice any action. And the bait won't catch the wind and veer off course.

Steady slow retrieves may produce, but not much for me. Me and my buds find a relatively quick twitch, twitch, pause is the ticket. Probably 90% of my hits come on the pause and they will hit it HARD - sometimes wanting to jerk the rods outta yer hands!
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I don't use them much in the summer. But broken backs, and other floater/divers such as Rattlin' Rogue (1200 series, non-suspending model) and the Yo-Zuri MagDarter (marked with black dots from a Sharpie to look like a small trout) are go-to baits when the fish won't hit a topwater, but still want an active bait. Especially when fishing a soft-plastic is too slow and you want to cover some water.

That is usually when the water as a slight morning/evening chill - which happens in the Spring and Fall. When the water is warm, you can generally catch 'em on topwaters (or at least I prefer to).

Broken back and floater/divers are excellent choices in the spring (like right now) when there are lots of school trout around - but big fish are in the area. Fish a big broken back on the edges of the schoolies and you have a good chance of hanging a real heavy sow.
Saltwater Texan:
I have used the Red Fin for decades and with a little rework they are a fantastic large trout lure. To make the smaller ones cast farther simply apply 2 or 3 coats of spray clear polyurethane. I replace the hooks with a VMC treble hook, a # 4 that are 4 X strong ( at academy). This will make the smaller model cast very well with no effect on the action. One reason I prefer the Cordell Red Fin is they are very easy to customize the color on, use a pocket knife to scrape off the original finish to reveal a bone colored body that can be painted any way you want it. My favorite version is to remove the orange paint from the belly of the black back, gold side model. You then have a black back, gold side, bone belly lure. Add some black spots to the sides, The polyurethne coating, the heavier hooks, and you have a custom broken-back that's as good as any model on the market. I use these lures almost year round, until the water temps drop below 55.
 
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I had a neighbor that is a well known guide and when he would talk to me about trips/reports he would only mention his favorite lure but never even give a hint as to what it was. Had me pretty curious for quite some time about what that lure was. Through work I met and visited with one of his old tournament partners, who told me it was the Cordell Redfin.
 
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The redfins and thundersticks are old legendary big trout baits and will always have a place in my tackle box! I still throw those baits from early spring till the early summer months. When a big trout or redfish hits one of these baits, you definitely know it. They knock the tar out of it. I prefer to fish these baits from the boat, but have caught lots of fish while wading over the years. They are old baits, but still work great!
 
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Another old email

When the grass gets real thick I use a soft plastic or gulp rigged weedless and weightless on a 4/0 or 5/0 hook. An 1/8 oz weedless gold spoon can sometimes be worked through without much hangup. But honestly, I don't catch much in heavy grass - I don't think they feed is such thick stuff, although they may hide in there. Had MUCH better luck working the edges.

If you are talking about relatively clear/open water OVER thick weeds - then topwater is the way to go. Contrary to popular opinion or freshwater guys, working a bait slow over the clear water on top of thick weeds doesn't draw near as many strikes as a quick retrieve. Saltwater fish aren't shy and the technique is to move it fast enough that if they are down in the weeds they must pounce on it immediately or let it go.

I've used prop baits many times. Tiny Torpedo and some small Cordell bait I forget the name of. Problem with prop baits is that they foul pretty easily. My secret big trout bait I pull out sometimes is a black jitterbug. Hard to throw in wind, but when the water is flat and that glug, glug, glug on a slow steady retrieve will draw some wicked strikes.
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I like Smithwick baits, and the Rogue in ARA1269 size and color is a SOLID producer for me. I actually LIKE the three hooks because it catches a lot of soft/short strikers. Their prop bait works too, if you fish it like a regular stickbait. However, I find the props are much to small and foul really easy. The best saltwater prop baits are ones with BIG props. They work much better in the wind/chop that is usually found on the coast and foul less on weeds.
halloween. The funny thing about the rogue is that even with three hooks, the bait is surprisingly weedless. I often throw it when there is a lot of floating grass, but clear water underneath. Use the jerk-jerk-pause retrieve and most hits will come on the pause. I've had trout hit it so hard that it almost jerks the rod out of your hands.

The jitterbug retrieve is slow and steady. For me, I have never done squat fishing any topwater stop-and-go or pausing. We fish them pretty fast sometimes and never, never pause. It is my experience that any saltwater critter will turn off the bait if you stop it. This is especially true with redfish - if they are waking behind your topwater and you stop it, they will turn off and disappear,

Hey Jim! The two colors we used the most were silver w/black back and gold w/black back or orange.

But by far the best producer was the plain silver with black back. There were two spring seasons at Baffin that a slow retrieved silver jointed thunderstik - slow enough that it still produced a surface wake even though the lure was totally submerged - was deadly on big trout.

The year after those two years we had a bad brown tide in Baffin and things shut down. Took us a long while to figure out how to catch fish on lures in that water. All black lures was the key - but that's another story.
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We used the non-jointed version, but it was about average.
 
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Joe Doggett did a good article on the Broken- Backs in the Houston Chronicle when we had a OutDoors department. Think the Date it was filed was 3/3/2004 or that was the date that I made the copy.

FWIW- For many of our Much younger 2 cool members the Houston Chronicle has some great articles when the boys were doing hunting and fishing articles back in the day.

Go into the HC archives and Search for the old out doors writers before it became a crime to put up a good fishing or hunting article with pxs of a dead deer or fish.

Most of you have not ever read Bob Brister and he was one of the Best.
 
#9 ·
Joe Doggett did a good article on the Broken- Backs in the Houston Chronicle when we had a OutDoors department. Think the Date it was filed was 3/3/2004 or that was the date that I made the copy.

FWIW- For many of our Much younger 2 cool members the Houston Chronicle has some great articles when the boys were doing hunting and fishing articles back in the day.

Go into the HC archives and Search for the old out doors writers before it became a crime to put up a good fishing or hunting article with pxs of a dead deer or fish.

Most of you have not ever read Bob Brister and he was one of the Best.
I agree. I sure miss those great articles and photos. Wish they would start it up again.

www.solarscreenguys.com
 
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I used to take the Chronicle just for the Thursday and Sunday outdoor sports sections. Not sure the old articles are not just as valid now as they were then except for the fact that Dogget had lots of hair when he went to work for the Chronicle and was pretty good on a surf board.

Even back in the 80's every time someone put a px of a trophy buck the Chronicle would get 1000+ letters complaining about the px as I was told by the editor. Did not matter that a 700 thousand plus were excited to read the articles and see the pxs.

Lord knows how many would complain now. IF YOU notice the Far and Few between outdoor articles are general notice articles and nothing on fishing or hunting. Guess we are lucky to have the small fishing reports listed in small print.

God forbid that you put up a picture of a trophy trout or trophy deer in the Chronicle.

They are some good articles stuck in the old archives.

Really David Sikes at the Corpus paper used to be the only real writer around.

http://archive.caller.com/sports/outdoors/ Sikes and article on new DOA bait.
 
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I used the old redfins a lot back in the 70's, along with the pop r's.
I used a Cordell boy howdy a lot also. It had spinners on both ends, and I would remove both and take some very find solder wire and wrap around the bottom hook. I would put it in water until it was at a good angle with the added weight, then it was ready.
Throw it it and let it sit until all waves had gone, then twitch a couple of times. The bass would explode on this thing like you could not believe. Super good lure.
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Looked at the Redfish Roy utubes and he had some good info but I saw something that got me.

The big thing on the modified bait is he did not show how to work the bait at all, just kept showing all the 18-22 inch trout and redfish hook ups, reeling the fish in, and bogaed. He had his back to the camera most of the time so you could not see the rod action either.

Another utube Had some good info on what he was throwing in general and what he was catching fish on and another to how to make the modified bait.

I just personally like to see how the bait works and how he is working it vs a lot of fish being dragged in.

May be a 2 minute how to at the first of the utute on the different ways and to work the bait with seeing the rod action along with what he is using- braid, mono or ?and what action the action of the bait looks like could help explain.

I did not see any other of his many utubes to comment on.
 
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Looked at the Redfish Roy utubes and he had some good info but I saw something that got me.
I just personally like to see how the bait works and how he is working it vs a lot of fish being dragged in.
May be a 2 minute how to at the first of the utute on the different ways and to work the bait with seeing the rod action along with what he is using- braid, mono or ?and what action the action of the bait looks like could help explain.
I did not see any other of his many utubes to comment on.
He says that for red fish he never stops the lure, just keeps a steady crank and twitch, for trout he gives it a pause and makes it more irratic
 
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I still throw a lot of broken backs, Cordell's. Late summer, early fall when the mullet are fairly large, swim it over a pothole, couple of twitches, they can't stand it. The silver blue and silver black are great, but I've always liked the gold black, catch a lot of big fall reds with them also. One of the all time great baits. Hard to find these days.

A few years back a friend and I waded the east shoreline down in Yarbrough. Normally not a place I fish often but we had a perfect moon, decent tide, and light se breeze. Early November. For about an hour before sundown we caught solid trout and reds one after another. We fished that spot for three days, all good, one was very special. Silver and back and gold and black broken backs.

Sorry for the ramble, love broken backs.
 
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ED Special

I believe the ED Special is based off of a rebel broken back. I caught a 9#er on it prefishing for the bash one year in Baffin. Jesse Arsola caught a lot of big fish on it. I'm not sure if they're still available but Ed spent many years testing and getting the pattern just to his liking. My biggest complaint was they are really light and hard to cast in the wind.

Jerk the XXXX out of it and it would turn 90 degrees when it floated to the top. The strikes are ferocious and would almost jerk the rod out of your hand like the articles pointed out.
 
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I believe the ED Special is based off of a rebel broken back. I caught a 9#er on it prefishing for the bash one year in Baffin. Jesse Arsola caught a lot of big fish on it. I'm not sure if they're still available but Ed spent many years testing and getting the pattern just to his liking. My biggest complaint was they are really light and hard to cast in the wind.

Jerk the XXXX out of it and it would turn 90 degrees when it floated to the top. The strikes are ferocious and would almost jerk the rod out of your hand like the articles pointed out.
Johnny Sports Shop has em but they cost a pretty penny. Ouch

https://www.johnnys-sport-shop.com/category-s/247.htm
 
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Spent some off time looking at a few of RR's other utubes and here is a good one that he explains how and what he throws on a regular basis to catch most of his fish.

At a guess you can get more info when he is sitting at the kitchen table posts vs lots of catching and releasing on the utube though he did share some on his mirrodine techniques and some cajun thunder cork tricks.

You can pick up some tips and tricks from what I saw.
 
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On top of trout fishing's last frontier

JOE DOGGETT Staff
PUBLICATION: Houston Chronicle
SECTION: SPORTS DATE: July 19, 1987
EDITION: 2 STAR
Page: 18

THE FLOATING MIRROLURE slushed and sputtered against the green water, scattering spray like a frantic, crippled bait fish. Under the surface a gray rock pile formed an unlikely target for a coastal bay plugger.
The chartreuse plug skittered past the rocks and - Ka-chunk! - triggered the violent blast of a sow speckled trout. Foam flew amid a sucking boil. I yanked. What else could I do?
"No, no!" shouted Corpus Christi guide Doug Bird. "She didn't grab it. Keep working it - short, fast jerks - keep it coming, make some noise!"
Swa-boom! A crashing surge and a thick flash of silver, spotted flank turned just behind the dancing lure. Ka-chow! The wide orange mouth opened again to smother the fleeing bait. I struck. I couldn't help it. The plug zinged over the boat as I wilted in despair. It was the fish I had driven five hours to find, and I had blown my chance.
"You didn't let her get a grip on it," the veteran guide explained slowly, patiently, as if coaxing a problem child. "You've got to control your reflexes."
I cast back but without much hope. The bright lure skated past the rock and, against all odds, the sow raged out again, this time grabbing the lure with a vicious slash. The fish went down and the rod tip followed and 12-pound line buzzed off the Daiwa casting reel.
The trout ran 15 or 20 yards before showing again in a rolling, splashing, shaking welter. I played the fish against a light tip and loose drag for at least five minutes, then worked it slowly and carefully into the waiting net. It was a grand trout, my largest on a surface lure, although not as big as I first thought.
Bird carefully extracted the long, glowing fish and took a quick measure. "That's 27 inches, with good girth, probably about seven pounds." He worked the hooks loose and slipped the fish back into Baffin Bay. "You were lucky on that one. They usually don't come back after the plug starts flying."
Catching big trout is something that Bird knows plenty about. He specializes in top-water fishing for sow specks, and his arena of the upper Laguna Madre complex is ideal for this exciting brand of fishing. Areas such as the rock-riddled Badlands of Baffin Bay, the sprawling Kenedy Ranch shoreline, the grassy Meadows, and the deep Land Cut offer one of the last frontiers of uncrowded fishing on the Texas Coast. It's literally in the middle of nowhere, about midway between Corpus and Port Mansfield.
You can get lost or stranded in this vast, remote region - or find some of the best speckled trout fishing on the coast.
"You wouldn't believe the big-trout fishing we had prior to the `83 freeze," said Bird. "That year I caught two fish over 12 pounds, the best a 12-14, and who knows how many over six - almost all on top-waters.
"The fishing just collapsed in `84, but now it's coming back strong. I'd say conservatively that trout fishing this year is three times better than last year, and last year was up 500 percent over `85. We've got plenty of fish now, but it'll take another year or two before the trout over 10 pounds start showing on a regular basis. Right now, an 8 or 9 pounder would be a real good fish. We're getting there; it just take time to grow those big fish. That's why I believe in putting them back. There's plenty of school trout if you want fillets."
Bird relies heavily on top-water lures for trophy trout. "The big ones are really turned on by a crippled bait fish. Most people think that top-water lures are good just on a shallow flat but I've had trout come out of 10 or 12 feet to bust them. You make a lot of commotion, and a trout will come up for it."
During our two-day trip last week, we fished 5M series Mirrolures exclusively, partly because they worked, partly because Alan Warren of the Fishin' Texas television show was making a film on them (to be aired next spring). The 5M comes factory-rigged with two spinners, fore and aft, and Bird modifies the lure by removing the front spinner.
"I get a better action with just the tail spinner. The front one seems to bog it down too much. Also, I loosen the tail hook-screw about one turn so the spinner will turn easier. If it's not churning the way I like, I may put a bit more twist in the blades."
Another favorite floater of Bird's is the Heddon Baby Torpedo. That particular lure rigged standard with a tail spinner and two sets of hooks is an excellent choice in both fresh and saltwater. It rides high and casts well. When less surface commotion is needed, Bird falls back on the floating/diving minnow plugs, especially the jointed, or "broken back" models. The Cordell Red Fin is perhaps the most popular of this side-winding genre.
Color can be important, perhaps more so than some fishermen realize. Bird believes in trying different colors and combinations to determine what, if any, preference fish might have under the existing conditions. "If I had to pick one pattern, it would be chrome with a blue back, but I'd hate to be in that position. It can change day to day."
Regardless of lure selection, Bird is an advocate of using a short length of monofilament shock leader (20- to 30-pound test). "A big trout can use those front fang-like teeth to cut a light casting line, and don't tell me it can't happen. The biggest speck I've ever hooked cut me off like that. I guarantee that fish was 15 pounds. That was in '83. The tragic thing is, she swallowed the plug, but the big freeze hit a few days later and probably would have killed her anyway."
Hooking a trout is not always a "gimme" on a floater. The speck is an aggressive predator with a large mouth, but fish frequently strike short or "slap" at the lure. The key, according to Bird, is to keep the plug moving. "Most days, if you stop the lure the fish will lose interest and turn away. Keep it coming, not always fast, but with plenty of action to stir `em up."
The higher the fisherman's vantage, the better he can read the play. By looking down into the water, using polarized glasses to cut the surface, it is possible to watch a bird-dogging fish under the bait. For this reason, more and more specialized bay boats along the middle and lower coast are being equipped with elevated casting platforms. Bird's 20-foot Bay Hawk has secure platforms fore and aft.
You must concentrate on the lure. No matter how much commotion a swashbuckling speck might be making, if you can still see the plug, the fish obviously does not have it. Wait until the deliberate trout goes down with the lure before striking. If possible, hit with a low, short jab to the side; if you miss, the plug will stay in the same area for possible follow-up fire. There may be exceptions to the delayed-strike theory, but Bird maintains that most days it is the percentage move. It was during our trip. We frequently had trout swirl and boil several times on a lure, sometimes following 15 or 20 feet before committing. The lingering drama made each fish somehow bigger than life.
Top-water trout fishing is one of the most exciting options on the coast. During two mornings of fishing, Bird, Warren and I caught 25 or 30 specks on the 5M Mirrolures and raised at least that many more. I have no doubt we could have done even better had we not been bound by the filming schedule.
And, I have no doubt that the same top-water techniques will work along the upper coast. Many fishermen in the Galveston Bay complex are missing a king thrill by not tossing floaters over the flats and reefs where sow specks prowl.
Just remember to let the old girl get a grip on the plug before you start yelling for the net.
For information on top-water fishing, call Doug's Guide Service at (512) 937-3589.


Caption: Photos: Doug Bird holds a big Baffin Bay trout; Baffin Bay trout ; Alan Warren
Joe Doggett/Chronicle