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Hey Captn C, Capt. Jeff Gerrans or anyone else that might know. Since there is a NMFS moratorium on reef and pelagic fish charter boat permits in the GOM, what would you suggest on how to locate and obtain an existing permit?

Thanks in advance.
 

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Re: permits

First, locate between 6 and 10k cash, and then try and find someone who is interested in selling their permit. That is the only way right now. Otherwise, stick strictly to blue water (marlin, tuna, dolphin, wahoo) charters.
 

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There is a lady who brokers them in Florida, but they are selling for $10,000.00 each. I'll see if I can find the number and send it to you in a PM.

Also seen this this morning:


(REVISED) PUBLIC HEARINGS ON REEF FISH AMENDMENT 23 (VERMILION SNAPPER REBUILDING PLAN) AND SCOPING HEARINGS FOR A CHARTER VESSEL/HEADBOAT PERMIT MORATORIUM EXTENSION SCHEDULED
NEWS RELEASE
RELEASE: IMMEDIATELY
CONTACT: STU KENNEDY

Tampa, Florida - May 27, 2004
- The Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council (Council) will hold public hearings to solicit comments on draft Amendment 23 to the Reef Fish Fishery Management Plan (FMP) that contains alternatives for the vermilion snapper population in the Gulf of Mexico that was declared to be overfished and undergoing overfishing on October 30, 2003. The Council has one year from that date to develop a plan to end overfishing and rebuild the stock. The Amendment specifies alternatives to set status determination criteria and biological reference points that determine when overfishing has ended and the vermilion snapper stock is no longer overfished. Alternatives that establish a plan to end overfishing and rebuild the stock include 10-year and 7-year rebuilding plans and harvest reduction measures that change size limits, bag limits, trip limits, or specify quotas or seasonal closures.

Following presentation and comment on Reef Fish Amendment 23, the Council will present the scoping document for the extension of the moratorium on the issuance of additional charter vessel/headboat permits. The rule creating the moratorium on the issuance of the permits was implemented through Amendment 14 to the Coastal Migratory Pelagic FMP and Amendment 20 to the Reef Fish FMP effective June 16, 2003 for a 3-year period (68 FR 26230). The scoping document presents alternatives for consideration and comment by the public for allowing the permit moratorium to expire at the end of the 3-year period or to extend the moratorium period by another 5 to 10 years. The rationale for alternatives for extension of the moratorium is that during the extended period the Council would consider a more complex limited access system for the charter vessel/headboat fishery. The Council is also considering a system whereby the number of passengers allowed per vessel could be increased by purchasing a vessel permit and exchanging it for additional passengers capacity. The Council is soliciting public comment on these issues through the scoping hearings and by mail.

All written comments must be received by the Council on or before July 1, 2004. Copies of both documents can be obtained by calling the Council at 813-228-2815 or by e-mail at [email protected]

The public hearings will be held beginning at 7:00 p.m. on Reef Fish Amendment 23 immediately followed by the Charter Vessel Permit Moratorium concluding no later than 10:00 p.m. at the following locations and dates:

Monday, June 7, 2004
Naples Depot Civic Cultural Center
(Windisch Room)
1051 5th Avenue South
Naples, FL 34102
239-262-1776

Wednesday, June 9, 2004
City of Madeira Beach
300 Municipal Drive
Madeira Beach, FL 33702
727-391-9951

Monday, June 21, 2004
New Orleans Airport Hilton
901 Airline Drive
Kenner, Louisiana 70062
504-469-5000

Tuesday, June 22, 2004
MS Department of Marine Resources
1141 Bayview Drive
Biloxi, Mississippi 39530
228-374-5000

Wednesday, June 23, 2004
Perdido Beach Resort
27200 Perdido Beach Boulevard
Orange Beach, Alabama 36561
251-981-9811

Thursday, June 24, 2004
Destin Community Center
101 Stahlman Avenue
Destin, Florida 32541
850-654-5184

Monday, June 28, 2004
Laguna Madre Learning Center
Port Isabel High School
Highway 100
Port Isabel, TX 78578
956-943-0052

Tuesday, June 29, 2004
Port Aransas Community Center
408 N Alister
Port Aransas, TX 78373
361-749-4111

Wednesday, June 30, 2004
San Luis Resort
5222 Seawall Boulevard
Galveston Island, TX 77551
409-740-8616

These meetings are open to the public and are physically accessible to people with disabilities. Requests for sign language interpretation or other auxiliary aids should be directed to the Council office by May 28, 2004. The Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council is 1 of 8 regional fishery management councils that were established by the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act of 1976. The Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council prepares fishery management plans that are designed to manage fishery resources in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico. This news release, and other Council news releases, can be viewed at the Council's web site at http://www.gulfcouncil.org. In addition, Council press releases may be received via e-mail by sending a blank e-mail message to [email protected] with SUBSCRIBE as the subject.
 

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Permit - schmermit;
A full half of the "Charter" boats out there don't have permits.

Be VERY VERY (did I say Very) careful who you deal with on this stuff.
There are numbers on the permits - ask a potential seller to fax you copies.
Call NMFS in Florida -ask for the permits office.
Ask the woman if the permits are valid and who's name they are currently under, and if they are transferrable.

These permits expire annually, and if you let them slip, they are gone forever.
There are horror stories that are all over the net of people buying expired permits from a "broker" that turns out to be a complete scam.
 

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Charter Permits

James is right, they were at least 10K but now with the fuel prices you might get a little better deal than you would have a couple of years ago.
I would run an add on Craigslist here in Houston, in Miami, Tampa, San Diego, you know what I mean. Find someone that has one and would sell it.
Worth a try.
Capt.Jeff
 

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Permits will be alot cheaper after about Wed of next week! Gustva will force alot of charter operators out of the business! I understand that Capt. Scott out of Venice,La."Paradise Outfitters" is getting out of the business. 32ft sportfisherman and permits for sale!
 

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I know of some that have sold (as part of a package deal) for as little as $5K, most have gone for 7-9K that I am aware of. There's usually a $10K asking price and a little wiggle room.

It's a huge crapshoot. In my very unsubstantiated opinion, the price on them will move substantially in three years or so. I do not believe the NMFS will ever lift the moratorium, if snapper stocks rebound and we go back to a four fish, 6 month limit, OR the TGBR project attracts fish like the Alabama structure, OR NMFS continues to restrict other species, the price of existing permits could go up substantially. If we stay at a 2 fish, 64 day season as fuel prices escalate, they could easily devaluate. So long as the tax code isn't changed dramatically, there will always be demand for them as part of a tax sheltered business - and if good economic times return (read boat sales) that could also run the price of permits up.

En Fuego, very good points on the validity of permits. Be Careful! And if you do get them, do not even come CLOSE to letting them expire. NMFS WANTS them to expire. The ladies in the permit shop are nice and will bend over backwards to help you if they can, but their bosses want FEWER permits on the water. Secondly, the percentage of unpermitted charters isn't that high UNLESS you are talking about pre-arranged "gas money trips" which we've debated to death here. And I can tell you there has been a change in thinking at TPW and NMFS and these guys have big targets on their backs. The CG, TPW and NMFS all know WHO they are and are on the lookout for them. It's a big ocean and this season was horrible due to weather, but if they keep running illegal most of them will be caught and when they are it won't be a slap on the wrist punishment. I know this is different than it has been, but it is true. Stay tuned, film at 11.
 

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How did this 4 year old thread get restarted?
 
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