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Half the problem is right here in these comments. Y'all are so "left and right" and think that's the only option in the United States. And then y'all wonder why it's so divided. The "he didn't vote Trump so he must be a libtard" mindet that half of y'all have is the very reason we're in the situation in.

Do y'all ever stop to think that there might be some folks in middle? I'll go ahead and say, I was born and raised by a Reagan/Trump lovin' conservative family. As I've gotten a bit older and have done my own thinking, I've leaned more libertarian than anything. Being on the libertarian side of things, it's simple to see why the US is so divided.

Why can't y'all just leave people alone? The left wants to have their abortions. Cool, so what? That's none of my business what they want to do, it doesn't affect me, and I'm not the one that's gonna have to answer for that someday. I don't believe in it and do not like the process, but in a free country, they should be able to do it regardless of your personal beliefs/feelings. But no, y'all scream and rant and make a big deal out of something that affects you in no way, and then wonder why the left dispises you.

For the left... The right doesn't want vaccine mandates. So what? Let them make that choice. After all, you are "pro choice" aren't you? "My body my choice" right? How about lets stick to that slogan, instead of screaming and yelling about how you want someone to take a jab that affects you in no way, and then wondering why the right calls you "libtards".

These are just examples of course... The bottom line is, leave individual liberties ALONE. Stop worrying about what other people choose to do with their lives, and maybe we can develop some friendships and common ground. All y'all are doing right now is playing tug of war of republican vs democrat, and the rope hasn't moved an inch to either side.

I can put it this way... I don't personally believe in about 90% of the chit that democrats do. But my personal beliefs have absolutely no relavence to indvidual freedoms that affect me in no way, and I do believe they should be able to do as they please. The reality is that half the arguments both sides spark up together have to do with individual choice and liberty, and the arguments never end.

Limited government and undictated personal freedoms would do this country a whole lot of good.
 

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This country is so divided and has lost focused on the Lord. Greed and corruption has taken over the world to include this country; and like someone already mentioned; "we cannot serve two masters." As a Christian (Catholic), I know that Jesus will return and that things will get worse.

The life of Jesus was planned but greed and corruption had him crucified, and we have not learned from this. I have always been convinced that Evil will always out number the good; look and the life of Jesus and the other prophets. Yet, the Lord will always win.

Open up your minds and hearts to the Lord, and be ready to defend his name.
 

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Half the problem is right here in these comments. Y'all are so "left and right" and think that's the only option in the United States. And then y'all wonder why it's so divided. The "he didn't vote Trump so he must be a libtard" mindet that half of y'all have is the very reason we're in the situation in.

Do y'all ever stop to think that there might be some folks in middle? I'll go ahead and say, I was born and raised by a Reagan/Trump lovin' conservative family. As I've gotten a bit older and have done my own thinking, I've leaned more libertarian than anything. Being on the libertarian side of things, it's simple to see why the US is so divided.

Why can't y'all just leave people alone? The left wants to have their abortions. Cool, so what? That's none of my business what they want to do, it doesn't affect me, and I'm not the one that's gonna have to answer for that someday. I don't believe in it and do not like the process, but in a free country, they should be able to do it regardless of your personal beliefs/feelings. But no, y'all scream and rant and make a big deal out of something that affects you in no way, and then wonder why the left dispises you.

For the left... The right doesn't want vaccine mandates. So what? Let them make that choice. After all, you are "pro choice" aren't you? "My body my choice" right? How about lets stick to that slogan, instead of screaming and yelling about how you want someone to take a jab that affects you in no way, and then wondering why the right calls you "libtards".

These are just examples of course... The bottom line is, leave individual liberties ALONE. Stop worrying about what other people choose to do with their lives, and maybe we can develop some friendships and common ground. All y'all are doing right now is playing tug of war of republican vs democrat, and the rope hasn't moved an inch to either side.

I can put it this way... I don't personally believe in about 90% of the chit that democrats do. But my personal beliefs have absolutely no relavence to indvidual freedoms that affect me in no way, and I do believe they should be able to do as they please. The reality is that half the arguments both sides spark up together have to do with individual choice and liberty, and the arguments never end.

Limited government and undictated personal freedoms would do this country a whole lot of good.

I beg to differ, the so called far right are the law abiding constitutionalist. The only far right white supremacist's live in the woods and there are about a dozen of them total, and they pose no threat. The real problem is the communist dems stole the election and are force feeding BS to America. Most Americans are in the middle and just want to work and live, the left doesn't like capitalism and will try to stop it. And no the left should not be allowed to do what they wish as it affects all us.
 

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dk2429. We all have the right to free speech. But there is a deeper side to being a follower of Christ which is what this thread is all about. The division you refer to, is between good and evil and those that represent these choices.
If you don't stand up for what is morally wrong ( killing infants in the womb) and say it doesn't affect you, it is your choice. God gave each of us free will. The killing of infants is wrong. And if you say, so what, it doesn't affect me, it begs the question, why doesn't it? You could make the same claim about a robber who shot and killed someone. It doesn't affect you, so in your logic, you give them a pass?
The division in America is not because of the left or right political alignment, it is because of the corruption of the moral law and an agenda that is being pushed to change America into a socialist/communistic/atheist country. I probably am over talking about this point, but if you don't stand up for Christs' teaching and God's commandments, who do you represent? All Christians should resist "a do nothing" approach to the killing of infants and the politicians who support this evil."
We all make choices in this life, and our choices have consequences. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. I choose Christ and His message.
Defending innocent life is all of our responsibility. Luke 18:20
 

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Ox you are absolutely correct. Man should not look to men for the answers, yet as seen in this thread it is exactly what they do. Jeremiah 10:23 I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step. Ecclesiastes 8:9 All of this I have seen, and I applied my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, during the time that man has dominated man to his harm.

All men have there own agenda, and it’s human nature because of our inherited imperfection, that this happens. Jesus never encouraged his followers to look to the government for answers to their problems. It was the religious leaders and the government that weighed the people down. On the contrary he told them to “stay out of the world.” None of Jesus disciples were politicians or involved in politics after they became his followers. When the people wanted to make Jesus king what dId he do. He fled to the mountains and hid.

The prophecies indicate we are living at the very end of this system of things. Ezekiel’s prophecy, Daniel’s prophecy, Jesus Sermon on the Mount recorded at Matthew 5-7 and also told by the other gospel writers, 2 Timothy 3:1-5 all point to the end of this system of things, STUDY them and draw your own conclusions. Daniels prophecy talked about the statue, representing world powers through the years, with the feet being made of iron and clay, being the weakest of all the world powers. That last world power which is spoken of is the alliance of Great Britain and the United States. There will be no others. Daniel 2: 31-45 is very telling and makes it clear that NO nation will be spared. The key is in verse 44.

The book of Revelation is exciting because it is talking about the end of times as we know them. A little hard to understand but the key is Revelation 1:1A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him,+ to show his slaves+ the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John, Revelation is presented in signs, much of Revelation is symbolic. Hard to understand but All scripture is written to be understood and is for our benefit. Revelation 21: 1-5 are my favorite scriptures in the Bible “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth;+ for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away,+ and the sea+ is no more. 2 I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God+ and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.+ 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them.+ 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes,+ and death will be no more,+ neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.+ The former things have passed away.”5 And the One seated on the throne+ said: “Look! I am making all things new.”+ Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful and true.” Verse 4 is my favorite single scripture. Verse 5 assures us it will come true because it is a promise from God.

There is no man alive on the earth that will solve the problems of the world or this country. I pray every day why Jesus instructed his followers to pray for. LET YOUR KINGDOM COME
 

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Wow, we've gone from "pray for America", to a libertarian who doesn't take a stand for anything, to "we're in end times" prophecy debate.
This planet (society) saw a spanish flu plague that killed approx 25 million people, then a war that killed 20 million people then 2 decades later another war that killed 50 million people including 6 million Jewish people, a sitting US President die in office and his successor drop 2 atomic bombs. Famine and starvation was rampant and at one point 1 in 10 people died from these catastrophes.
Many Christians though for sure Hitler was the Antichrist and we were entering the 7 years of tribulation and we were in "end times".
That was 80-100yrs ago. No one knows the day. I come as a thief in the night. There will be rumors. Nation will rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom. These are growing pains.
1 day to God is like a thousand years.
Yes be prepared but be careful trying to predict end times.
 

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My thoughts and expressions come from and are based on God’s Word, which is really all that matter. In the third paragraph I said draw your own conclusions. We will all stand accountable in the end, whenever that might happen.

DC you are right that many bad things have happened in the last 100 years, but there were scriptures that had not been fulfilled. A noteworthy year was 1914. Even words in a key scripture had been used by the League of Nations many years ago, 1 Thessalonians 5:3 Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them,+ just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.” Peace an security was said and is key, but other scriptures had not been fulfilled. One very important scripture that has now been fulfilled. I will not quote it but if you want to look it up it is found at Matthew 24:14.

Jesus said that ALL these things had to happen. Those words have been fulfilled. NO man knows the time it will happen, according to the scriptures, “not even the son, only the Father.” The next time you hear the words Peace and Security coming from a major world power or an entity like NATO, take note.
 

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The only far right white supremacist's live in the woods and there are about a dozen of them total, and they pose no threat.
These people walk amongst us daily!! They live in your neighborhood, they teach our children, the police our cities, they judge our court rooms, some are on this site. Just because they don't wear their hoods daily, doesn't mean they aren't around. There are thousands of them in our society, pay attention and you will see them if you choose.
 

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Maybe the current star of affairs is the result of previous prayers. Everyone on here thinks God is in control and everything happens according to His plan but also thinks everything is in the ditch. Seems like a contradiction.


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Maybe the current star of affairs is the result of previous prayers. Everyone on here thinks God is in control and everything happens according to His plan but also thinks everything is in the ditch. Seems like a contradiction.


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I believe you misunderstand......
God let's Man make his own choices........and when we do we mess it up. So things are "in the ditch" as you say. We are free to make the wrong choice just as we are to make the right choices. In fact His Word clearly tells us that many will make the wrong choices. That many will cry "Lord Lord...." but He did not know them.....

What some folks forget is that

"28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,[a] for those who are called according to his purpose"

If you Know Him and Follow Him, if he Knows you and y'all have a relationship He will work it all out for you. Even in the midst of all this chaos He will work it out for the good of those that Love Him and are called according to His purpose.
 

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The key to the scripture sited above is “according to his purpose.” Unfortunately most of the time man’s purpose conflicts with God’s purpose. Case in point is this thread. Most on here look to man (or the government) for the solutions to the problems. They should look to God’s Word. “All scripture is beneficial, for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight.” It’s there for our benefit, and God’s son was sent not only as a sacrifice for mankind, but as an example of how to live our life.
 

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what about those of us who have their own understanding of God and a personal relationship there that works? I don't agree with any specific religion, however I WILL say that today's division IS solely because the Democrats and the mainstream media have pushed things so far left it's beyond belief. The Democratic Party of Kennedy is dead. Someone above said that "Democrats are smart". How can someone have any intelligence and continuously vote for candidates whose main priority is the tearing down of American culture??
 

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I believe you misunderstand......
God let's Man make his own choices........and when we do we mess it up. So things are "in the ditch" as you say. We are free to make the wrong choice just as we are to make the right choices. In fact His Word clearly tells us that many will make the wrong choices. That many will cry "Lord Lord...." but He did not know them.....

What some folks forget is that

"28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,[a] for those who are called according to his purpose"

If you Know Him and Follow Him, if he Knows you and y'all have a relationship He will work it all out for you. Even in the midst of all this chaos He will work it out for the good of those that Love Him and are called according to His purpose.
I didn’t say things were in the ditch. I said that people on here say God is in control and they think it’s in the ditch, that’s why I say there is a contradiction. I actually think things are better than they’ve ever been when looked at it from a broad perspective. Interesting book called the Progress Paradox about how we get nostalgic for the past when by the majority of quantifiable measures things have never been better for the vast vast vast majority of the 7 billion people on the planet.


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I pray for America where Godless marxism has taken hold. Lord forgive those who have driven South America to it. Lord rise up again powerfully and revive these once great Nations for Your name sake and Your Glory. Even so Lord Your will be done in Your Mighty and Matchless name I pray Lord Jesus, Amen.

Amen! in the name of Jesus, Amen!
 

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A lot of you guys are confusing Communism with Fascism. In Communism, the state owns everything. In Fascism, their cronies still own everything, but the state decides which cronies are going to be successful.

Like when your husband buys millions of $$ in shares in a company, and you vote on a bill to give that company $billions in subsidies. The gub'ment never owned the company, so it's not Communism. Their cronies did, so it's Fascism.

Yeah, that's oversimplified. But look how Adolf and Benito did it. And nobody ever accused them of being Commies (and lived to talk about it).
 

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I understand your thoughts on measuring quantifiable prosperity, etc., , but I believe the moral law, God's law is being disregarded. The murdering of our own children with 1.5 billion abortions worldwide to date or. 20% of the population. The decay of the moral law has been the downfall of many civilizations. That is why I ask for prayers for America and I should have added the world as well. My time on earth is very limited due to my age, but voices need to be raised when evil makes people think it is okay to murder babies. And politicians pass laws to do just that. The Bible tells us a day will come, when evil is good and good is evil. Some people don't see the evil around them and others do. Prayers do not cost a penny but are worth all the gold in the world.
 

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I didn’t say things were in the ditch. I said that people on here say God is in control and they think it’s in the ditch, that’s why I say there is a contradiction. I actually think things are better than they’ve ever been when looked at it from a broad perspective. Interesting book called the Progress Paradox about how we get nostalgic for the past when by the majority of quantifiable measures things have never been better for the vast vast vast majority of the 7 billion people on the planet.


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Maybe I didn't say it quite right.

Yes I am a Christian and yes I think Society is "in the ditch".

And a big ole YES I believe God is in control.

Just because God lets man make his own choices does not mean God is not ultimately in control.

The Bible has many instances of God using bad people, bad choices man has made to end up accomplishing God's plan.

As WillT posted God's purpose is mans.

God gave man a choice......His way or Man's way.

We all have to choose.......
 

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It is totally sickening what the demorats have done. It's like a communist country now. FJB
Book banning is what Germany did guess where that's happening now . Texas so you are right communism is alive and well in America and it starts here in a red state. As far as prayers for America God isn't on either side because all politicians are false profits so all you people need to wake up.
 

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dk2429. We all have the right to free speech. But there is a deeper side to being a follower of Christ which is what this thread is all about. The division you refer to, is between good and evil and those that represent these choices.
If you don't stand up for what is morally wrong ( killing infants in the womb) and say it doesn't affect you, it is your choice. God gave each of us free will. The killing of infants is wrong. And if you say, so what, it doesn't affect me, it begs the question, why doesn't it? You could make the same claim about a robber who shot and killed someone. It doesn't affect you, so in your logic, you give them a pass?
The division in America is not because of the left or right political alignment, it is because of the corruption of the moral law and an agenda that is being pushed to change America into a socialist/communistic/atheist country. I probably am over talking about this point, but if you don't stand up for Christs' teaching and God's commandments, who do you represent? All Christians should resist "a do nothing" approach to the killing of infants and the politicians who support this evil."
We all make choices in this life, and our choices have consequences. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. I choose Christ and His message.
Defending innocent life is all of our responsibility. Luke 18:20
I honestly didn't read half of this thread before commenting, and didn't realize it was about being a follower of Christ. I saw this, then made my reply.

United we stand, divided we fall. This country is so divided. Hard to go to church and look across the congregation knowing that half the people in that room would still vote Democrat. They are celebrating saying "see I told you Trump was corrupt".
They look the other way when it comes to killing babies and corrupt people in office getting away with crimes. Marion Berry was caught smoking crack with a hooker, went to jail, got out and was still reelected, and that was decades ago! We are past revival.
We're in a Class war, cultural war, religious war, and a civil war in some of the most crime ridden cities.
All part of the the great reset. New World Order.
After reading that comment, I figured the rest of this thread was about political division. And my reply still stands that, part of the division problem is right here in these comments. That's all I was trying to imply, and I used abortion as an example (since it has been the big topic of debate from both sides lately)
 

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Book banning is what Germany did guess where that's happening now . Texas so you are right communism is alive and well in America and it starts here in a red state. As far as prayers for America God isn't on either side because all politicians are false profits so all you people need to wake up.
God's Word is very clear about what he will do to human governments. It’s found in Daniel’s prophecy.

Daniel 2:44 In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever,

Let your kingdom come.
 
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