I want to start at 6:30 am and race 10 minute qualifiers with hour long a mains! oh wait a minute im a race director, i take that back 3 minute qualifiers and 10 minute mains start time of.... never mind i dont know were i was going with this!

Lets hear what the racers want?

 

1PM, 3-7s, expert SC

 

3-7's means shorter mains........keep that in mind.

 

1pm, two 7-minute quals

 

Nitro guys.........can everyone easily make 7 minutes on a tank now-days?

 

I know i havent participate on harc yet but ill like to see the sc class split if posible, i think it would benefit the pros and newbies.

 

CV most can make 7 easy these days!

Start time is when ever you guys want, but the later we start the easier it is for me and Smiley to participate not that that is important, just wanted it out there.

I do think we need a sportsman sc class!and we should go by the national guidelines for SC!

 

the only bad thing about going to the two 7 min mains, is the longer mains for electric isnt going to be good. we already run 13 mins in buggy, and its tough for some guys to make it that long. what about triple a mains for e buggy.

 

I don't care how the quals and mains are setup. They all sound ok to me, but there needs to be an expert SC class.

 

+1, but i do think having more qualifiers is better than less but longer due to the fact of breakage and such. having three chances to get a good run works better for all. 10 minutes is long enough for electric mains.

 

TOPIC #1: Start Time
I'm usually a 1pm fan so we can get out earlier and that has worked. But if we do the 2heat suggestion and save 1-1.5hrs then going back to 3pm would be nice cuz we could get more practice in and/or do brunch with the family before a race. Big help on the browny points.

TOPIC #2: Heat / Main Lengths
This is a great idea. If we had longer mains and still got 14min (2x7min) vs. 15min (3x5min) we could get more run time and less dead sitting around time. Whats 1min less qual time if we can get 5-15 more main time!

I know most of us see quals as practice and set up last chances before the main (including myself many times) but really they are called qualifier for a reason; to determine your main and position at full racing intensity, not to do practice/setup changes that should have been done in practice on your own time. When people say they want even more quals like 4+ that really means they don't have their cars ready for race day (thats practice, not qualifying).

For E-Buggy I want longer mains but 15-20min might be hard for alot of peeps to make on batteries. I'm game for Double A main 10min similar to RC PRO, best out of 2 counts. Heck almost all the classes could get longer mains if we kill an entire qual run. 20min Nitro Sportsman A? 30+min Nitro Pro A???

I know a bunch of the Nitro guys can get 9-11min on a full tank. Did you nitro guys have fuel problems during the RC PRO quals at 7min?

TOPIC #3: Expert and Sportsman Short Course Classes
Sportman's cool.

 

My preferences would be...

1) OVER 50 CLASS!!!

2) 1pm start.

3) two 7 min quals.

4) Sportsman & Expert SC.

5) Celine Dion opening each race day with a medley of hits!

 

I like the double a main idea at 10mins each for e buggy. 3-5 min quals. Start time does not matter to me.

 

+1

 

2-7's isn't bad. It does seem like a good idea to split the E-buggy mains. Two 10 min mains or to 8min.

 

3 7 min qualifiers
45 min nitro A-main sportsman
1 hour A-main expert
15 min electric main
Trugggy,
Electric truggy
Expert, sportsman e buggy
Expert, sportsman buggy
Expert, sportsman short course
Beginner class.
Starting a 1 pm like usual.

That's my 2 cents on the idea...

 

1 pm start time seems to work great

i like 7 min quals and a 10 min main

splity the sc for sure

and we need to make the guide lines of each class be very well spelled out (ie battery size. bodies, wings etc )

 

1 pm start time seems to work great

i like 7 min quals and a 10 min main

splity the sc for sure

and we need to make the guide lines of each class be very well spelled out (ie battery size. bodies, wings etc )

bodies, wings, and tires I dont think we should have rules against. Battery size i agree with though.

 

I currently like the 3 5 min qualifiers. Just gives you a better chance to get one good qualifier in.
As far as mains what ever is good, except the lower mains need to be a minimum of twice the length of the qualifier.
And yes I think the sc should be split, this is the class that alot of newbs are coming into and I know that getting your but kicked all the time in something you are starting out in is not fun.

 

2 seven minute quals
longer mains and possibly an intermediate nitro

 

possibly an intermediate nitro

Says the sandbagger who doesn't want to go to Expert!

The Short Course Showdown Series and ROAR both do 7min. Mains. This would be much better all around on everybody's equiptment. You also would not have to have the best battery to get through the main. For example, Ryan Lutz this past weekend even had issues going the full 10min main. I would like to see it switch to 7 minutes.

I bearly make 10min with 1min warm up and 30sec to finish my lap with my 5300, I put 4700-5200 back in (avg. 480mah/min) so I'm open to that but maybe 8 if we did go down. 8-10min in SC is good for me. Lutz was running 3300mah packs btw.

Would prefer to see electric mains equal nitro. Meaning if nitro running 20min Amain then electric runs dbl 10min Amains (tie breaker goes to higher qualifier). If nitro runs 30min Amain then electric runs triple 10min Amains.

I just don't want to marshall triple A mains. There are not enought classes for us to get short mains to marshall, we will likely marshal the Pro A buggy and that will be 30+ minutes under this new discussion. Nitro sportsman A or Truggy A should marshall them. Double A E buggy should marshall SC A, and Nitro Bs to be fair on the times.

Definitely been thinking about it. I'm struggling with Truggy at the moment. If you average it out, we've averaged barely 12 truggy entries per race, and we're losing 2 truggy racers that are pretty much at every race next year.

I'm torn between doing like we did with E-Buggy last year and having a trial period for the first 3-4 races with split electric / nitro classes. But at the same time, I have hesitation about adding yet another 15 minute nitro main, plus another 20 minutes worth of electric mains, plus possible B-mains for both. You're talking about adding another hour to the raceday possibly, and 3 out of 4 of our tracks are struggling with noise ordinances in the evening as it is.

If I split the truggy into electric and nitro, would BOTH the nitro AND electric guys be willing to cut their A-mains down to 10 minutes? That would help with the time constraints......

Do we have enough to split truggy, like you said we only have about 12 on avg. When we spit E buggy we had 20-30. As it is, Me, willy and Ty aren't running truggy next year and we are usually regulars to the class.

 

I say put the electric mains last so they can charge their batteries and Nitro can go home early sometimes hahaha.

 

3 qualifiers
3PM start
split SC

 

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May I,

2 x 7 minute qualifiers with 6 classes and with 2 of the six with more than 12 entries equals approximately 1 hr 12 minutes each round or 2 hours 30 minutes total. approx 12 minutes per heat.
3 x 5 minute qualifiers with same 6 classes with 2 of them with more than 12 entries would equal approximately 1 hour each round or 3 hours total. approx 10 minutes per heat.

Just remember the aprox time per heat, 2-3 minutes warm up, up to 3 minutes for starting and finishing a race then the actual race duration.

Only real suggestion I have is to remember how hot i gets during summer and how cool it gets in the winter when setting start times. 1 pm in winter with the highs in the 50s is great but 1 pm start time in the summer when it hits 100+ is hurting.

 

With how the SC Class has grown in the past year, A Sportsman/Intermediate and Expert Class split needs to be done. Most of the time the fast guys cannot get a clean run in when half the heat is filled with beginners. I also thin the SC Class Main Lenght needs to be shortened. The Short Course Showdown Series and ROAR both do 7min. Mains. This would be much better all around on everybody's equiptment. You also would not have to have the best battery to get through the main. For example, Ryan Lutz this past weekend even had issues going the full 10min main. I would like to see it switch to 7 minutes.

 

Triple a mains for electrics, have electrics marshall electrics and nitros marshal nitros.

7 min quals and mains for short course, 7 min quals for everything else

Split short course classes.... Short course rules limited to a body that covers the wheels and 2 cell maximum battery

Matt

 

well

For nitro

2 7 min heats 45min mains

Electric

who cares:rotfl:

 

7 or 8just min mains on SC.