PINS, another blow to the patrons

[Trouthappy]

Turtles like the dead one pictured are killed all the time by shrimpboats or just fast-moving boats. We saw a big loggerhead cut in half when we were on the big catamaran ferry that runs from Key West to Dry Tortugas National Park.

[jc]

US Fish and Wildlife has stated that if the Kemps on PINS were done away with it would have no significant impact on their survival/recovery

[CDHknives]

IMO this is not about fish or turtles...this is one step closer to closing PINS to traffic. Just like so many other laws...regulate things to oblivion instead of outright bans.

[SurfRunner]

Originally Posted by CDHknives

IMO this is not about fish or turtles...this is one step closer to closing PINS to traffic. Just like so many other laws...regulate things to oblivion instead of outright bans.

You are exactly right!

[ZenDaddy]

Originally Posted by jc

US Fish and Wildlife has stated that if the Kemps on PINS were done away with it would have no significant impact on their survival/recovery

Hey, what's the source for this?

Also, I've read they are NOT native to Texas Beaches before ... but can't recall the source.

Can you provide?

[TrueblueTexican]

BFD - so go slower and keep lidar detectors in case you need to go faster - its IDIOTS that can't seem to USE common sense these days that get the new laws forced on those of us who do -

Heck you just MIGHT see something you ordinarily wouldn't going 50MPH, never was about turtles anyway - it was about idiots that think they are on the gulf freeway pavement and not on sand.

It probably wont take me any longer to get past big shell than normal, and I may even have to see a judge every now and then -- give unto Caesar

I look for it to make fishing even better past MM21.

[justletmein]

Originally Posted by ZenDaddy

Hey, what's the source for this?

Also, I've read they are NOT native to Texas Beaches before ... but can't recall the source.

Can you provide?

Might be native to South island, but definitely an invasive species to North side. They were transplanted there by people. In Mexico they dig up the eggs and eat them, we spend millions to transplant them to a beach they are not native to and then dig up the eggs and incubate them.

[justletmein]

Originally Posted by TrueblueTexican

BFD - so go slower and keep lidar detectors in case you need to go faster - its IDIOTS that can't seem to USE common sense these days that get the new laws forced on those of us who do -

Heck you just MIGHT see something you ordinarily wouldn't going 50MPH, never was about turtles anyway - it was about idiots that think they are on the gulf freeway pavement and not on sand.

It probably wont take me any longer to get past big shell than normal, and I may even have to see a judge every now and then -- give unto Caesar

I look for it to make fishing even better past MM21.

I really hope you're right that it'll weed out traffic further South, but I doubt it will. The peeps running 50 are already breaking the 25 limit so they're not going to care about breaking 15 either. Again all this does is screw with the people who obey the limit to begin with, the others will continue doing what they do.

For the record I have no objections to anyone running 50 on a nekkid stretch of beach where nobody else is around. When you come up on camps or trucks, slow your arse down.

[SurfRunner]

Hey JC! You and I agree on something my friend!

[jc]

Originally Posted by ZenDaddy

Hey, what's the source for this?



Can you provide?

dawn whitehead of us fish and wildlife, I paraphrased

http://www.cacrights.org/docs/EA%20ResponseFinal.pdf