NMFS BS

[Day0ne]

Originally Posted by Boboe

Your math isn't correct here. A headboat for 1 person would--let's assume--be $100. A 6-pack for the whole day would be $1600. That's for 6 people, so it's $1600 vs $600, rather than $1600 vs $100.

Also, just because I can afford to spend $400 to go fishing a few times a year (split charter with others), it doesn't mean I can afford to buy my own boat and run it. $800/yr (or even $3200 if I were paying the whole charter twice a year) is less than the cost of boat ownership. If you don't think so, go buy a boat and find out.

I realize that most charters will carry more than 1 person. I should have been a little clearer on that, but not all "6 pack" charters carry 6 people either. I also realize that the primary head boat customer is probably a once a year (or lifetime) tourist. I wasn't trying to belittle the cfh skippers. I was trying to point out that some of the arguments depended on where you were standing and looking. A lot of people have a dog in this fight but have different perspectives. I'm actually on your side.

As far as boat ownership goes, I've owned more than a few, and I am aware of the cost of ownership. However, I don't think you need a $80,000 - $100,000 boat to fish for snapper. I'm currently restoring a 23' Formula which will be great for snapper when I move back to the coast and I will have less than $5000 invested. You don't have to be rich to own a boat but it helps.

[Levelwind]

All good points. My boat is not great for six anglers, in fact I don't book charters with six and discourage five unless very experienced anglers. 3-4 is common for me. I have no idea the "average". When I was fishing just charters and headboats I made 4-5 trips a year, one of which was sometimes a longer range cruising style trip. There are certainly a bunch of tourists who have never been outside of land, or go once a year, as you say. That was actually part of my rationalization of what percentage of Americans go fishing on CFH vs private boats. The private boat guys obviously go many times, the charters more likely see new faces every trip (gross exaggeration). Matter of run rate.

[texasrangerw]

People tend to whine and complain, we all do some more than others, but now is time for solutions we can live with and stay profitable. I think the SOS plan stands alone by its own merits. Developed all within the guidelines of the MSA

We want to stop over fishing in the CFH sector. Be accountable and provide quality and verifiable fishery dependent data. Every single aspect of our plan will not only protect the access to the Gulf of Mexico to the general fishing public but will also benefit the private boat owner /fisherman as well.

We now have close to a 30% buffer added into the Total Allowable Catch limits due to the unknown factors of the recreational fishery. Under a 7 million pound TAC in the red snapper fishery that is 2.1 million pounds of fish not landed each year because the recreational sector has no accountability, pretty crazy huh?

Our plan is going to reduce those buffers in the first year just by being accountable for what we catch. This will apply to grouper and all the other over fished species

The key word in fishery management for now and in the future is ACCOUNTABILITY without it all of our access will continue to be reduced and even totally denied. Your support will prevent that.

[hilton]

Originally Posted by texasrangerw

People tend to whine and complain, we all do some more than others, but now is time for solutions we can live with and stay profitable. I think the SOS plan stands alone by its own merits. Developed all within the guidelines of the MSA

We want to stop over fishing in the CFH sector. Be accountable and provide quality and verifiable fishery dependent data. Every single aspect of our plan will not only protect the access to the Gulf of Mexico to the general fishing public but will also benefit the private boat owner /fisherman as well.

We now have close to a 30% buffer added into the Total Allowable Catch limits due to the unknown factors of the recreational fishery. Under a 7 million pound TAC in the red snapper fishery that is 2.1 million pounds of fish not landed each year because the recreational sector has no accountability, pretty crazy huh?

Our plan is going to reduce those buffers in the first year just by being accountable for what we catch. This will apply to grouper and all the other over fished species

The key word in fishery management for now and in the future is ACCOUNTABILITY without it all of our access will continue to be reduced and even totally denied. Your support will prevent that.

Gulf of Mexico Reef Fish Shareholder's Alliance President, and Ocean Conservancy poster child David Krebs just got slapped with a $3,000 fine for not being accountable. Other core SOS leaders have been slapped with the same violation recently. There are already accountability measures in place yet key SOS promoters are not willing to abide by current regs - why would this change in the future?

SOS is all about accountability? And you are blaming the private recs?

That's laughable.

I am demanding accountability from the NMFS.

Tom Hilton

[texasrangerw]

Why don't you call him and ask him what really happened. Be the one who knows what really went down. I believe it was during the time of his father’s death. Perhaps you should call him and ask him what was on his mind during that time. What ***** you have no idea.

[hilton]

Hey texasranger,

I too lost my father a few years back and do have an idea of what it's like - my condolences.

Apparently the authorities did not take a family tragedy into account as the fact is that Mr. Krebs IS the responsible person for accountability on his boat - that is the bottom line here, isn't it? Accountability?

Any excuse for the other SOS leaders who have shown to not want to be accountable and fined accordingly?

Tom

[Levelwind]

Originally Posted by hilton

. Other core SOS leaders have been slapped with the same violation recently. There are already accountability measures in place yet key SOS promoters are not willing to abide by current regs - why would this change in the future?

SOS is all about accountability? And you are blaming the private recs?

That's laughable.

I am demanding accountability from the NMFS.

Tom Hilton

What "Key SOS supporters"? What was the charge?

Laugh all you want. The SOS plan provides accountability and repeatable, accurate catch data, two things that are badly needed.

We should all demand accountability from all our government agencies. I believe NMFS Law Enforcement is being taken to task rather heartily by congressional committee right now, as a matter of fact. It seems as if they were using fines as an internal source of travel funding. Maybe things are not always as they appear.

[texasrangerw]

Hilton

So you like posting violations. I have a solution below.

So, If you want the truth about accountability violations % lets get the data.

I’ve heard that over in Alabama there is an enforcement meeting going on today or tomorrow. Perhaps someone can get the answers on these accountability violations.

I’m still ****** about Alabama beating Texas I want make it.

So Let get:

Percentages and numbers of violations for each sector and see who is being accountable.

State and Federal (salt waters)

Let’s get a complete breakdown state by state gulf wide

I’ve heard its 20/80 or 80/20 find out for yourself. lol. It’s going to be a jarring fact

If one sectors violating more than the other let’s expose them and get them more accountable. That would be good for everyone????????????? Including the fish!

I don’t think you will like the numbers.

Don’t miss the boat it’s not to late to join SOS


Be the one who knows! I can’t wait till we see all that data